Gibraltar is like Marmite.

VO5 said:
Listen orbister, pay attention.

First of all there is no drug smuggling in Gibraltar because there are no drugs to smuggle. The drugs originate in Morocco, because that is where they are cultivated and where they are harvested.

They are slipped over the border into Ceuta (which is Spanish territory) which is on Morrocan soil, on the other side of the Straits of Gibraltar.

Then these drugs you talk about are transported across the Strait in fast ribs under cover of darkness by Spaniards and are landed in mainland Spain. So it starts and ends being a Spanish problem and has nothing to do with Gibraltar.
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Erm. So a yacht and crew weren't arrested a few years back because they'd unwittingly delivered a boatload of coke to Gibralter. Someone was trying to smuggle drugs in then, why not now?
 
VO5 said:
Listen orbister, pay attention.

First of all there is no drug smuggling in Gibraltar because there are no drugs to smuggle. The drugs originate in Morocco, because that is where they are cultivated and where they are harvested.

They are slipped over the border into Ceuta (which is Spanish territory) which is on Morrocan soil, on the other side of the Straits of Gibraltar.

Then these drugs you talk about are transported across the Strait in fast ribs under cover of darkness by Spaniards and are landed in mainland Spain. So it starts and ends being a Spanish problem and has nothing to do with Gibraltar.

Now here is another cannonball roaring in your direction, so take cover or have your head blown off..

There are no dodgy financial services. All the financial services are very tightly regulated under very strict supervision to conform with all the requirements agreed by the financial community in Europe, the UK and the USA. And your dubious tax slur is just sour grapes, the politics of envy. LOL.

What you might or might not prefer, orbister, is of no consequence.

As you do not pay the bill, you have no right to bleat.

Gibraltar is totally self sufficient, has a huge surplus, and does not rely on the UK for one penny.

There are many British ex pats who live in Spain who would like to take up residence here who have similar insidious opinions like the ones you have.

Fortunately the elected Government of Gibraltar, in its wisdom, has created, like in the Channel Islands, a two tier housing system that effectively prevents undesireable and impecunious rabble settling here.

I am all in favour of it. I am in favour of a lot of things you are probably not in favour of I reluctantly have to tell you and just one of them is contained in the above paragraph for your benefit and my satisfaction.

It appears that you are equally ignorant about Spanish politics and Spanish foreign policy as well. You ought to learn the language and read the Spanish press with care, and then you would not make the inept and ignorant statements that you do.

You know nothing about the subject, otherwise you would not be making the ill considered statements that you do blurt out.

The Spanish people on the whole are charming and friendly and fun loving.

They unfortunately have inherited the remnants of the ghost of Spanish Fascism that is kept alive like a flickering flame by a progressively more distanced and irrelevant old guard on the fringes of national politics of a nation included in a modern Europe.

These are old political dinosaurs that have survived the fascist Franco era and remain involved with Spanish politics, but their days must be numbered within the political, civil and cultural stucture of what is essentially nowadays, a modern country.

If you want some more, come back and I will give you more, and have a good evening.:D
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Bravo!!
We should have an annual awards ceremony for the best post, you would almost certainly win with that one!
I enjoyed every second of reading it!
Stu
 
Woodlouse said:
Erm. So a yacht and crew weren't arrested a few years back because they'd unwittingly delivered a boatload of coke to Gibralter. Someone was trying to smuggle drugs in then, why not now?
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As it happens, I have the cutting in my archives, somewhere.
It was a brand new boat.
The crew was comissioned by an owner to deliver his yacht from the Carribean to the Med.
The crew were unaware that the owner was a drug lord with connections in Columbia.
The crew were unaware that a secret compartment was very cleverly concealed and stuffed full of drugs.
A tip off was recieved when the vessel had already left.
The first port of call after crossing from the Bahamas was Gibraltar.
The vessel was boarded, searched and the drugs found.
The vessel was impounded and the crew arrested and closely questioned.
This was two years ago. If you are really morbidly interested in the final outcome I will make enquires via the appropriate authorities and I expect to be able to update you.

Now, let's see ?

The vessel would have been impounded and the crew arrested at any port in any location to which the tip off had been given. The vessel happened to make Gibraltar its first port of call, but not its final destination. Therefore the vessel was searched here by Customs, the drugs found and the rest as I already said.
 
More to the point ....is Lotties daughter still there ? and it sounds like the feel good drugs must be on free vend out there now!
 
From my older memories of Gib. Orbister has a point. There was certainly a lot of smuggling in the 70s and 80s. There were a lot of nondiscript ex racing boats that used to set off a dusk and return in the early hours via Morroco and Spain. As long as they kept the stuff off Gib, it was OK.Every body knew it and made no comment. Opening a legit business was only possible if you made the correct 'friends' and used their contacts. We tried it. Backed off after looking at the 'friends' and their demands.(and their other business 'interests')
The Spanish were quite rightly annoyed at all this under their noses and I hope it has all been cleaned up (tho. I did see a film not long ago about cigarette smuggling around there) Since they are no longer quite so keen on reclaiming it I assume it is now the squeeky clean utopia that VO5 discribes .
We only went there because of the yacht facilities which were un-available elswhere at the time. And stayed as short a time as possible.
A
Oh, St Michaels (M&S) was good for UK treats
 
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I was with the RN there in the late 70s and early 80s we used to run 2 fleet tenders around the rock keeping our eyes on things,in the 3 years i was there i think we stopped hundreds of small craft but never found anything other than cases of beer.But thats not to say any form of illegal trafficing was going on but i never saw any evidence of it
 
Gib....good memories

Gibraltar is like Marmite.....:D

We used to call it 'A Slum in the Sun'

I was first there in the mid seventies when the border was closed. Had been in Morocco for six months previously and needed to top up funds. I hitched a ride on the old 'Mons Calpe' ferry that worked between Tangier and Gib. Ended up sleeping on Eastern beach for a fortnight, but later got a berth and a job on a yacht in the old destroyer pens off the North Mole.

After being in Morocco for six months, it was a crazy experience to arrive in a place in the sun where bobbies were walking around in English uniforms, there were red telephone boxes and English beer.

One of my lasting memories were the families that used to gather at the gates on a Sunday, and shout across 'no mans land' to their relatives in La Linea...bizarre. Another, were the guys in black T shirts wearing gold medallions and sun glasses. They used to hang out in Shepherds Marina with their speed boats that had enough outboard power hanging on the stern to propel a rocket. Every evening at dusk, they used to leave and head out into Algeciras Bay. Smuggling obviously, but nobody seemed to take any notice.

Ended up being there nearly a year before I set off on my travels again. Have been back a few times since in my own boat and others. Tidied up a lot now from those early days, and of course Shepherds has gone. The last time I was there was 2001, on route back to UK with the boat I've got now.

Did leave one lasting memento in Gib though. When I was there in 1986, I built a huge set of gates for a house that was owned by the Admiralty. Apparently, Nelson had stayed there at one time. It was being used by the top man in charge of the docks at the time,a Dutch guy. Beautiful house with a courtyard garden. I checked it out in 2001 and the gates were still there. Made me feel a bit funny.....

Still got a soft spot for Gib though....lot's of good memories. Like Marmite is spot on I think...brilliant!
 
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..you want more

VO5 said:
Listen orbister, pay attention.

First of all there is no drug smuggling in Gibraltar because there are no drugs to smuggle. The drugs originate in Morocco, because that is where they are cultivated and where they are harvested.

They are slipped over the border into Ceuta (which is Spanish territory) which is on Morrocan soil, on the other side of the Straits of Gibraltar.

Then these drugs you talk about are transported across the Strait in fast ribs under cover of darkness by Spaniards and are landed in mainland Spain. So it starts and ends being a Spanish problem and has nothing to do with Gibraltar.

Now here is another cannonball roaring in your direction, so take cover or have your head blown off..

There are no dodgy financial services. All the financial services are very tightly regulated under very strict supervision to conform with all the requirements agreed by the financial community in Europe, the UK and the USA. And your dubious tax slur is just sour grapes, the politics of envy. LOL.

What you might or might not prefer, orbister, is of no consequence.

As you do not pay the bill, you have no right to bleat.

Gibraltar is totally self sufficient, has a huge surplus, and does not rely on the UK for one penny.

There are many British ex pats who live in Spain who would like to take up residence here who have similar insidious opinions like the ones you have.

Fortunately the elected Government of Gibraltar, in its wisdom, has created, like in the Channel Islands, a two tier housing system that effectively prevents undesireable and impecunious rabble settling here.

I am all in favour of it. I am in favour of a lot of things you are probably not in favour of I reluctantly have to tell you and just one of them is contained in the above paragraph for your benefit and my satisfaction.

It appears that you are equally ignorant about Spanish politics and Spanish foreign policy as well. You ought to learn the language and read the Spanish press with care, and then you would not make the inept and ignorant statements that you do.

You know nothing about the subject, otherwise you would not be making the ill considered statements that you do blurt out.

The Spanish people on the whole are charming and friendly and fun loving.

They unfortunately have inherited the remnants of the ghost of Spanish Fascism that is kept alive like a flickering flame by a progressively more distanced and irrelevant old guard on the fringes of national politics of a nation included in a modern Europe.

These are old political dinosaurs that have survived the fascist Franco era and remain involved with Spanish politics, but their days must be numbered within the political, civil and cultural stucture of what is essentially nowadays, a modern country.

If you want some more, come back and I will give you more, and have a good evening.:D
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Another self opionated person who we don't really want spouting off in these forums. VO Why don't you calm down and stop being so aggresive AND stick to the original post ? It would appear that you proably have the money and live in Gib. From your post it would appear that you don't want the UK "connection" ?

My wife and I (!) visited the enclave in May this year and this is what we found. Being unable to book into one of the marina's we called up on our arrival day and were accomodated. We were ably assisted in to a berth (our first Med.mooring) by a lad who was most helpful. We went to book in and were welcomed to the marina by what can only be described as Hitlers half sister - you probably know who I mean. No Smoking signs adorned the reception area (and Gents loo's) but of course SHMBO behind the counter didn't need to take any notice of this. We were not "welcomed" at all and she was what can only be descibed as aggressive in her manner. After a day or so I noticed the manager from one of the up market restaurants used the marina facilities for his own use - quite why he couldn't use his own facilities was never made clear. We went downtown. The public loo's there (by the Trafalgar cemetry) were open and absolutley disgusting. I wouldn't even want you VO to try to use them. We went a cafe on the main drag. Morning coffee on the menu advertised at £1.25. I was charged £1.50 and on querying this was advised that the new menu's had not come in yet and the price was "different to that advertised". I advised them they would not be able to get away with that kind of thing in the UK - yes I know it's not the UK. ..........

On our wedding aniversay we decided to visit the WW2 tunnels on a saturday afternoon having picked up one of their flyers in town....open from 9am to 530pm. Turned up at 315pm - it was very quiet and was asked in a very abrupt manner basically what we wanted ? We said to the guy that we wanted to visit the tunnels. "They're closed" we were told and anyway only booked guided visits are done on a saturday....Went into Spain for a day and found it somewhat more welcoming.

Gib.weather ok of course and vg. Indian restaurant in the marina. Morrison's ok but expensive. Traffic was ghastly and drivers had no respect at all anywhere for pedestrian crossings....positively dangerous. No police around that we saw although as VO says no crime perhaps. In Italy where we are now the drivers don't particularly respect same but at least they do stop when your on a zebra !

All in all I love Marmite but can't say the same about Gib. We'll visit again someday in the hope that our experiences will not be repeated .
 
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We had a fortnight with Allabroad Sailing School in Gibraltar. Apart from a couple of nights in Ceuta we returned to the marina every night. I have to say I really enjoyed myself. The tuition was excellent, and I reallty liked Gibraltar as well. I have absolutely no complaints whatsoever.

The only difference is, you cannot spread Gibraltar on your toast. I love marmite on toast. :D:D
 
I sailed in there once and it was the day that the fleet was returning from the Middle East. The sailors were all lined up along the decks of their respective boats so we did the same and reviewed them as we sailed past...!

John
 
Kilter, thanks for the link.
Seems as if the rampant smuggling has been checked since '98. The controls on financial activaties are good. I had an off-shore co. there and it was open to inspection from way back when money laundering became an issue. Still use a bank and that is completely transparent to any other authority.
Re the Marmite. Loved it till I found how much salt was in it.
Gib, well, my last visit was around '01 and SWMBO (non EU citizen)fancied fish and chips, random choice on Mainstreet. worst meal in a long time. So my opinion rests.

Forgot to mention, do they still have the enormous cockroaches wandering down Mainstreet after dark? Loading stores onto the boat, it was a big no-no to use any cardboard boxes because of the cockroach eggs.
A
 
Caladh said:
Another self opionated person who we don't really want spouting off in these forums. VO Why don't you calm down and stop being so aggresive AND stick to the original post ? It would appear that you proably have the money and live in Gib. From your post it would appear that you don't want the UK "connection" ?

My wife and I (!) visited the enclave in May this year and this is what we found. Being unable to book into one of the marina's we called up on our arrival day and were accomodated. We were ably assisted in to a berth (our first Med.mooring) by a lad who was most helpful. We went to book in and were welcomed to the marina by what can only be described as Hitlers half sister - you probably know who I mean. No Smoking signs adorned the reception area (and Gents loo's) but of course SHMBO behind the counter didn't need to take any notice of this. We were not "welcomed" at all and she was what can only be descibed as aggressive in her manner. After a day or so I noticed the manager from one of the up market restaurants used the marina facilities for his own use - quite why he couldn't use his own facilities was never made clear. We went downtown. The public loo's there (by the Trafalgar cemetry) were open and absolutley disgusting. I wouldn't even want you VO to try to use them. We went a cafe on the main drag. Morning coffee on the menu advertised at £1.25. I was charged £1.50 and on querying this was advised that the new menu's had not come in yet and the price was "different to that advertised". I advised them they would not be able to get away with that kind of thing in the UK - yes I know it's not the UK. ..........

On our wedding aniversay we decided to visit the WW2 tunnels on a saturday afternoon having picked up one of their flyers in town....open from 9am to 530pm. Turned up at 315pm - it was very quiet and was asked in a very abrupt manner basically what we wanted ? We said to the guy that we wanted to visit the tunnels. "They're closed" we were told and anyway only booked guided visits are done on a saturday....Went into Spain for a day and found it somewhat more welcoming.

Gib.weather ok of course and vg. Indian restaurant in the marina. Morrison's ok but expensive. Traffic was ghastly and drivers had no respect at all anywhere for pedestrian crossings....positively dangerous. No police around that we saw although as VO says no crime perhaps. In Italy where we are now the drivers don't particularly respect same but at least they do stop when your on a zebra !

All in all I love Marmite but can't say the same about Gib. We'll visit again someday in the hope that our experiences will not be repeated .
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Ha Ha ...Let's see....

This is exactly the sort of post that I enjoy responding to...:D

Lets start with the first paragraph and work our way down, shall we ?

Your comments are not unusual. They are not unusual either in viewpoint or in content. But they are not unusual because you represent an outside view, which is an uninformed view. It is not exactly what one would call an incisively informed view as all you have been able to observe is a cursory fleeting impression. This small window is the window that fleeting visitors hastily look through, with mixed results. It does not present a broader spectrum, it is rather like a series of hasty snapshots.

You and I differ for several reasons....ahem...but the main reason is that you cannot have an intimate knowledge of a place by just visiting. It is even more difficult if you are an uninvited visitor left to your own devices in which you go about...exploring...without a clue asto what it is you are really looking at and why, you understand.

Other posters on this thread imply that Gib is "grotty". This tickles me pink. I think it is so funny. The reason why I think so is because, like any firmly established society that has occupied an enclave for generations, it develops its own internal life of which the visitor is unaware and is not privy to. I have not experienced what you are recounting but there again, there is a factor you overlook.

What you overlook is that the people you encountered are very experienced at dealing with non residents. These include the ex pats who cannot afford to live here and live across the border in Spain but come here to work. It also includes Spanish workers, including chars, nannies, cooks, messenger girls and boys, cleaners, washerwomen, seamstresses, carpenters, construction workers, plumbers, waiters, crane drivers and scaffolders.

There is a place for everyone and everyone in his place.

These people can immediately identify who's who in the zoo by the way they dress, the way they speak, and the way they behave, immediately. They are very skilled at detecting bad grammar, rude language, poor pronounciation, and in general, being able to recognise bad taste. Then their responses are tailored according to how they are approached and by whom.

They know not to upset the ruling classes.

The ruling classes are easily identified (anywhere you wish to go in the world) not necessarily by visible wealth or ostentation, but by manners. I never have any problems of any sort with any of the categories of persons you mention, but there again I do not create fertile ground for them to disrespect me or act uncivilly.

Now let us examine each of the experiences you have had, and I will give you my views.

You were able to get a berth, were you not ?
You recieved attentive help at the quayside, did you not ?
The lady at reception whom you accuse of being Hitler's sister....have you considered what it mifght mean to have to deal constantly with the public ? Do you realise that the public can try the patience of a statue ? Do you not consider she may have just encountered an upstart of an uneducated and brash visitor and has had time to recover from it, and has had her day spoilt ?

The use of the loo by the other chap may have a simple explanation of which you are not aware. The loo in his own premises may have been blocked, for example. It is not correct to jump to conclusions on the basis of unsupportable evidence.

The public loos by the Trafalgar Cemetry are always a problem. They are not used by peoiple who livew in Gibraltar. They are used by visitors. It is the visitors who make a mess in there. Therefore because of a few visitors' misconduct, all other visitors may have to suffer. You cannot expect someone to devote their entire day to cleaniung up after mucky inconsiderate visitors.

That the price of the coffee was changed that day and that you have taken umbrage at it because it was not announced is trivial, really petty. A few pennies will not bankrupt anyone.

JP Morgan. the famous American financier had two sayings:~

"If you have to discuss what yachting costs, then you cannot afford it"

"You can do business with anyone, but you can only sail with a gentleman".

I believe these two statements to be as valid today as when they were first uttered.

If the tunnels were closed they were closed. The problem lay with the publisher of the flyer, and not the staff at the site.

The amount of traffic is huge, because also there are many visitors who are unfamiliar with the roads, sometimes causing traffic jams. But I have never experienced danger as you imply. In fact, I have experienced courtesy, particularly from the police on point duty who do their best to keep the traffic flowing at difficult times.

I would respectfully suggest you continue with your love affair with Marmite, and resist becoming infatuated with any other interest, including a repeat visit, so that you should not be dissappointed yet again.:D
 
There are so many wrong things in your response VO5. If a bar wants to charge extra, they felt tip it over the old figure. Often used here(usually to lower the price). If the system allows people to advertise prices and charge more, you have a big problem.
You also sugest that local knowledge is essential for an informed view. How on earth can you expect visiters to aquire that? School of knocks?
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DownWest said:
There are so many wrong things in your response VO5. If a bar wants to charge extra, they felt tip it over the old figure. Often used here(usually to lower the price). If the system allows people to advertise prices and charge more, you have a big problem.
You also sugest that local knowledge is essential for an informed view. How on earth can you expect visiters to aquire that? School of knocks?
A
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I don't have a problem because I am not involved in trade. I would not demean myself to quibble over 50 p anyway. Its that simple.

How do you have local knowledge of the environment you yourself occupy ? I would hazard a guess that you have a great deal. And why and how is that ? Because you harmonise in order to be accepted. If you do not harmonise you would be left out. You would become an outsider. You would remain an outsider until your attitude changed....and...was seen to have changed, before you were admitted.

I will tell you about an experience I had in a small, densely populated island where English is the only language.

After several visits one of the islanders ventured to ask me what I thought of his island.

I did not reply it was claustrphorbic, boring, clicky or even incestuous.

I replied that it was charming and beautiful, and that it was wonderful to observe the community spirit and how people were able to take delight in each others company and be satisfied with simple things.

I was prodded further.

I then expanded to explain that I understood how in small comunities relationships develop over generations....how many visitors take everything at face value with the wrong frame of reference...being their own...and inflexible to the culture...and insensitive to everything and so on...

I was prodded again...

Again, I replied in similar vein.

Two days later, I was invited to a wedding, then the following day to lunch, then a birthday party...then at the weekend crewing..followed by a barbecue...followed by multiple friendly introductions to influential people there...all of whom ultimately became friends...with whom we reciprocate communications, visits, invitations, with whom we share news, interests and so on.

Do you now see or not see ?
 
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VO5 said:
Ha Ha ...Let's see....

This is exactly the sort of post that I enjoy responding to...:D

Lets start with the first paragraph and work our way down, shall we ?

Your comments are not unusual. They are not unusual either in viewpoint or in content. But they are not unusual because you represent an outside view, which is an uninformed view. It is not exactly what one would call an incisively informed view as all you have been able to observe is a cursory fleeting impression. This small window is the window that fleeting visitors hastily look through, with mixed results. It does not present a broader spectrum, it is rather like a series of hasty snapshots.

You and I differ for several reasons....ahem...but the main reason is that you cannot have an intimate knowledge of a place by just visiting. It is even more difficult if you are an uninvited visitor left to your own devices in which you go about...exploring...without a clue asto what it is you are really looking at and why, you understand.

Other posters on this thread imply that Gib is "grotty". This tickles me pink. I think it is so funny. The reason why I think so is because, like any firmly established society that has occupied an enclave for generations, it develops its own internal life of which the visitor is unaware and is not privy to. I have not experienced what you are recounting but there again, there is a factor you overlook.

What you overlook is that the people you encountered are very experienced at dealing with non residents. These include the ex pats who cannot afford to live here and live across the border in Spain but come here to work. It also includes Spanish workers, including chars, nannies, cooks, messenger girls and boys, cleaners, washerwomen, seamstresses, carpenters, construction workers, plumbers, waiters, crane drivers and scaffolders.

There is a place for everyone and everyone in his place.

These people can immediately identify who's who in the zoo by the way they dress, the way they speak, and the way they behave, immediately. They are very skilled at detecting bad grammar, rude language, poor pronounciation, and in general, being able to recognise bad taste. Then their responses are tailored according to how they are approached and by whom.

They know not to upset the ruling classes.

The ruling classes are easily identified (anywhere you wish to go in the world) not necessarily by visible wealth or ostentation, but by manners. I never have any problems of any sort with any of the categories of persons you mention, but there again I do not create fertile ground for them to disrespect me or act uncivilly.

Now let us examine each of the experiences you have had, and I will give you my views.

You were able to get a berth, were you not ?
You recieved attentive help at the quayside, did you not ?
The lady at reception whom you accuse of being Hitler's sister....have you considered what it mifght mean to have to deal constantly with the public ? Do you realise that the public can try the patience of a statue ? Do you not consider she may have just encountered an upstart of an uneducated and brash visitor and has had time to recover from it, and has had her day spoilt ?

The use of the loo by the other chap may have a simple explanation of which you are not aware. The loo in his own premises may have been blocked, for example. It is not correct to jump to conclusions on the basis of unsupportable evidence.

The public loos by the Trafalgar Cemetry are always a problem. They are not used by peoiple who livew in Gibraltar. They are used by visitors. It is the visitors who make a mess in there. Therefore because of a few visitors' misconduct, all other visitors may have to suffer. You cannot expect someone to devote their entire day to cleaniung up after mucky inconsiderate visitors.

That the price of the coffee was changed that day and that you have taken umbrage at it because it was not announced is trivial, really petty. A few pennies will not bankrupt anyone.

JP Morgan. the famous American financier had two sayings:~

"If you have to discuss what yachting costs, then you cannot afford it"

"You can do business with anyone, but you can only sail with a gentleman".

I believe these two statements to be as valid today as when they were first uttered.

If the tunnels were closed they were closed. The problem lay with the publisher of the flyer, and not the staff at the site.

The amount of traffic is huge, because also there are many visitors who are unfamiliar with the roads, sometimes causing traffic jams. But I have never experienced danger as you imply. In fact, I have experienced courtesy, particularly from the police on point duty who do their best to keep the traffic flowing at difficult times.

I would respectfully suggest you continue with your love affair with Marmite, and resist becoming infatuated with any other interest, including a repeat visit, so that you should not be dissappointed yet again.:D
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Have been watching and having a laugh, I learned to sail with Jack Peate in the late 90s. I loved Gib, swmbo hated it.
We went on a bareboat charter there, went to Soto Grande and back. Went to clear back in, the woman that checked us in would seem to be the same one referred to! Miserable ****, ex navy by the look and sound of her!
Stu
 
DownWest said:
Oh, I am not sure why what you are are smoking, No reply needed.
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I will reply to you.
I am not smoking anything.
It is not my fault that despite trying to explain to you as delicately and as diplomatically as possible, you do not understand that you do not understand.
Surely that must be your fault, not mine.:D
 
skipper_stu said:
Have been watching and having a laugh, I learned to sail with Jack Peate in the late 90s. I loved Gib, swmbo hated it.
We went on a bareboat charter there, went to Soto Grande and back. Went to clear back in, the woman that checked us in would seem to be the same one referred to! Miserable ****, ex navy by the look and sound of her!
Stu
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Ha ha. I am pleased you have a needle in the groove, so to speak.:D
Soto and back is a nice day out. I personally have no contact with the lady.
I don't use their facilities.:cool:
 
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