Gibraltar diesel and courtesy flag

[haydude]

Two questions:

1) is diesel cheaper in Gibraltar (then Spain or Portugal)?
2) I fly a UK red ensign, do I have to fly a Gibraltar courtesy flag too?

 

[chinita]

Two questions:

1) is diesel cheaper in Gibraltar (then Spain or Portugal)?
2) I fly a UK red ensign, do I have to fly a Gibraltar courtesy flag too?

1. Yes

2. No

The courtesy flag for non UK yachts is the red ensign from the starboard flag halliard.

Ducks, and waits for VO5 to get back from his yacht club long lunch.

 

[25931]

Everywhere is cheaper than Portugal for diesel.

 

[capnsensible]

Top tip, try the CEPSA dock in Gib and get more than 100 litres (cans useful). The price drops a good bit, I paid 78 quid for 103 litres last week with the discount.

The courtesy flag is nice but not vital.

 

[Tulu]

we were there in September last year and diesel was 62p/litre at the fuel dock next to Marina Bay. Will have gone up since, but still cheaper than anywhere in Med we have found.

If you want to be really courteous, fly the GIB courtesy flag - white top/red bottom with red castle on the white background. Otherwise, as said, the jack.

 

[GrahamM376]

Two questions:

1) is diesel cheaper in Gibraltar (then Spain or Portugal)?
2) I fly a UK red ensign, do I have to fly a Gibraltar courtesy flag too?

Red Ensign.

Fuel - Portugal dearest, Spain cheaper, Gib much cheaper, Ceuta even cheaper than Gib and so is the marina.

 

[capnsensible]

Red Ensign.

Fuel - Portugal dearest, Spain cheaper, Gib much cheaper, Ceuta even cheaper than Gib and so is the marina.

Sorry to be picky but your information regarding Ceuta is incorrect. The only cheaper item there is gas at 7 euros for a 907 cannister.

The discounted fuel price and berthing fees are marginally less in Gib.

 

[SHUG]

I would just comment that its a big mistake to absentmindedly leave your SPANISH courtesy flag flying.......Sensitive issue!!

 

[VO5]

I would just comment that its a big mistake to absentmindedly leave your SPANISH courtesy flag flying.......Sensitive issue!!

Yes, was it you ?
Had it cut down ?

 

[VO5]

1. Yes

2. No

The courtesy flag for non UK yachts is the red ensign from the starboard flag halliard.

Ducks, and waits for VO5 to get back from his yacht club long lunch.

How do you know I was at lunch ?
Who told you ? Who is gossiping ? Who ?

The correct flag is the Gibraltar flag. And flown from the Starboard Yardarm or Spreader.

Red base 1/3rd , White top 2/3rds, yellow castle and key emblazoned and not a Red Duster, or a Blue Duster or the Jack.

 

[VO5]

Top tip, try the CEPSA dock in Gib and get more than 100 litres (cans useful). The price drops a good bit, I paid 78 quid for 103 litres last week with the discount.

The courtesy flag is nice but not vital.

YES IT IS.

We want standards maintained in this harbour, take note.

 

[capnsensible]

Lets hope the chandlers are not pinning their hopes of riches from selling them. A quick look around Marina Bay reveals a grand total of none!

Shame really.

 

[capnsensible]

Correction to my last. A more robust search has revealed.....one!

 

[GrahamM376]

Sorry to be picky but your information regarding Ceuta is incorrect. The only cheaper item there is gas at 7 euros for a 907 cannister.

The discounted fuel price and berthing fees are marginally less in Gib.

Last time we were there, 2009, Gib fuel prices on small (< 50L) quantities were 10p/litre more than Ceuta and short term berth £15/night against 10.50 Euro. Maybe it's changed since then, what's the price for 12m berth now? we should be there again in a few weeks.

 

[capnsensible]

Week before last, 36 foot boat, 18.08 euros. Winter prices.

Will double check diesel price when I am there tonight. The over 100l price, as mentioned, is 75.7 a litre in Gib.

Local knowledge

 

[capnsensible]

Its 1.06 per litre!!

 

[25931]

we were there in September last year and diesel was 62p/litre at the fuel dock next to Marina Bay. Will have gone up since, but still cheaper than anywhere in Med we have found.

If you want to be really courteous, fly the GIB courtesy flag - white top/red bottom with red castle on the white background. Otherwise, as said, the jack.

What is "the jack" ?

 

[chinita]

How do you know I was at lunch ?
Who told you ? Who is gossiping ? Who ?

Just a wild guess!

Anyway, I thought Gibraltar was a British Overseas Territory - in which case the 'correct' flag for any foreign boat is a Red Ensign.

I agree that it is courteous to fly the Gibraltar Flag in addition and below the Red Ensign from the starboard spreader.

I always fly the Gibraltar Flag when visiting - but then I am a bit of a bore with these things.

Perhaps you should have a referendum to decide?

Tick which:

Gibraltar Flag and Independence

or

Red Ensign and British Dependency

 

[SAMYL]

Just wondering, is the correct courtesy flag not the Union Jack/Flag rather than the Red Duster, assuming you do not have the Gibraltar flag to hoist on the stb spreader.

25931 I always understood the 'jack' to be the Union Flag (Union Jack) flown at the bows of British naval ships.

 

[VexedIllologist]

British ship in another British jurisdiction - courtesy flag?

A courtesy flag essentially signifies that the foreign visiting vessel acknowledges the sovereignty of the country being visited (which is why it is flown in the Territorial Sea, as well as in Internal Waters).

As such it would seem superfluous for a vessel of the same sovereignty as the territory visited to fly a 'courtesy flag'. That it may be seen as a 'nice gesture' to fly some kind of local flag is understandable, but this is not really a 'courtesy flag' in the same way as when the vessel is in a foreign country.

Applying the general - not absolute (see Malta) - custom that land flags are not flown as courtesy flags, but the 'civil ensign' of the foreign country being visited is used, the result of such an 'excess of courtesy' in a territory of the vessel's own country would be:

American vessels (wearing the ensign of the USA) flying the same American ensign as a courtesy flag in the waters of US Territories (i.e. 'Old Glory' at the ensign staff and the same flag as a courtesy flag);

French vessels (wearing the French tricolour ensign) flying the same French ensign as a courtesy flag in the waters of French Overseas Territories; and

British vessels (flying the Red or other Special Ensign) flying the same British Red Ensign as a courtesy flag in the waters of British Overseas Territories.

In the British Overseas Territories (as in the Crown Dependencies of Guernsey, Jersey and the Isle of Man), Her Majesty is Sovereign and these Territories' self-government always subject to the ultimate control of the British Parliament.

While some British (i.e. not just registered in Great Britain and Northern Ireland, but registered in any of the subordinate jurisdictions as well) vessels may wish to fly a local flag in these circumstances, there is, in my view, simply no need to do so.

As is noted above, it is certainly not generally the case at Gibraltar.

I daresay that flag makers might be keen on the idea!