Genoa sheets - routing

[Jaguar 25]

How normal is it for the genoa sheets to routed through a cam cleat or clutch after the traveller pulley and before the winch? Can't do this with my current set-up but it seems it would help if I fitted a clutch or cam cleat. My winch is not self-tailing.

 

[Old Harry]

How normal is it for the genoa sheets to routed through a cam cleat or clutch after the traveller pulley and before the winch? Can't do this with my current set-up but it seems it would help if I fitted a clutch or cam cleat. My winch is not self-tailing.

One does at times need to release a sheet quickly, that is not possible with a clutch.
i would use a single lightermans hitch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDJZnvQ5DGY

 

[dunedin]

If there is a cleat for the genoa sheet it would generally be after the winch.
On anything other than a very small boat there would be too much strain on a cam cleat ahead of a winch, which as well as risking breakage would make it tricky to get out of the cleat.
Some boats do use a halyard stopper for sheets, ahead of a shared winch. But these are robust - and expensive
Always better to avoid multi use of a genoa winch if possible

 

[VicS]

How normal is it for the genoa sheets to routed through a cam cleat or clutch after the traveller pulley and before the winch? Can't do this with my current set-up but it seems it would help if I fitted a clutch or cam cleat. My winch is not self-tailing.

One would expect to see simple jamming cleats like this

On the coaming aft of the winches.

Definitely not a clutch or a cleat in which the sheet is captive. You want to be able the release the sheet and free it from the winch without any hinderance

 

[anoccasionalyachtsman]

Have a look at a Barton 82998. Yes, you need to use the winch to take the load off it but it does free up the winch. Often used where one winch doubles for genoa and spinnaker sheet.

 

[William_H]

I have a cam cleat on the side of the cabin just aft of the genoa sheet block but it is only used when the spin is in use so genoa sheets quite free. ie tensioned by hand. I use the winch then to cam cleats for normal sailing ie hard on thewind where the genoa sheet is pretty tight. What I have found over the years is that even with 3 wraps around the winch the loads on the cam cleat are quite high such that the poly sheet becomes quite worn where it hits the cam cleat. I try to encourage crew to use another wrap around the winch to minimise loads at the cam cleat. We do a lot of tacking. So I would say using a cam cleat alone not on a winch would be pretty savage on the sheet. ol'will

 

[PuffTheMagicDragon]

As suggested by VicS, a jamming cleat aft of the winch is what I have. The Genoa is 35m² and, as long as you have sufficient turns on the drum, that type of cleat is more than sufficient against the final pull of the sheet.

Note that the long 'horn' of the cleat points in the direction of the winch; this allows the free end of the sheet to be pinched between between the horn and the taut part of the sheet that is coming from the drum.
BTW, although the winches are fitted with Winchers, they are still used as non-self tailers. In my case fitting the Winchers was a mistake because they were slightly too small to fit properly but it was such a hassle to fit them that I would hesitate to try removing them... save for cutting them off.