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Rome is at the border!
Gen out, Engines out?
- Thread starter jcwads
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bluetooth
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So after thread drift back to OP's need. A summary of my T40 works in 2016:
- Removed garage floor.
- Removal of Genset sound shield and electrics
- Made a frame over genset to lift insitu and slide base out from underneath (totally rusted with holes in!)
- Fabricated new stainless base coping old design
- Clean up sound shield and paint with smooth hammerite inc brackets
- Rebuilt Genset
The photos are nothing special.
In all well worth the effort and much cheaper than new Onan parts.
Servicing and getting running well required all rubber pipes changing as minute airleaks messed fuel delivery up.
Hope this helps
Simon
- Removed garage floor.
- Removal of Genset sound shield and electrics
- Made a frame over genset to lift insitu and slide base out from underneath (totally rusted with holes in!)
- Fabricated new stainless base coping old design
- Clean up sound shield and paint with smooth hammerite inc brackets
- Rebuilt Genset
The photos are nothing special.
In all well worth the effort and much cheaper than new Onan parts.
Servicing and getting running well required all rubber pipes changing as minute airleaks messed fuel delivery up.
Hope this helps
Simon
Portofino
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@Deleted User + MapisM. I think we need a up to date geography lesson.
MAN marine is based in Nuremberg and current Itama are built in Forlì , which is further N than Antibes .
Just to clear the fake news .
Ferretti also build Pershing and always have @ Forli , they slip the odd Itama in as and when a punter bites in the line to wake up the workforce
MAN marine is based in Nuremberg and current Itama are built in Forlì , which is further N than Antibes .
Just to clear the fake news .
Ferretti also build Pershing and always have @ Forli , they slip the odd Itama in as and when a punter bites in the line to wake up the workforce
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Portofino
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Why has it rusted in the first place ?
MapisM
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I'm shocked by your view that Itama=Rome (=Tiber river, to be more precise) is fake news, PF.@Deleted User + MapisM. I think we need a up to date geography lesson.
MAN marine is based in Nuremberg and current Itama are built in Forlì , which is further N than Antibes .
Just to clear the fake news .
Do you want to make Mario spin in his grave?!?
Where Ferretti is now producing some similar boats, sticking an Itama label on them, has very little to see with his heritage.
Oh, and when I mentioned the Friedrichshafen HQs, we were talking of ZF, not MAN. :encouragement:
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Portofino
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“ Current” is now = Forli
Amarti boats pre 2005 sure river Tiber Roma , buts was a while ago now .
Incidentally the old site is the home of XL yachts and they are majoring on Amati refurbs .
So there’s a sort of fractionation of the mkt .
A newer Ferretti , vac bagged jobbie built in Forli or a older “ Amarti “ refurbed in Rome .
One of them is doing well , no prizes for guessing :encouragement:
Greg2
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Going back to jcwads original question we removed the engines from our Fairline Targa 35 several years ago for a bit of a spruce up.
I posted at the time and it can be found on the link below - thankfully the pics have re-appeared after the photo bucket issue.
OCD or preventative maintenance? You decide
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?155639-Winter-Project-bit-PBO-with-lots-of-pics&highlight=
I posted at the time and it can be found on the link below - thankfully the pics have re-appeared after the photo bucket issue.
OCD or preventative maintenance? You decide
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?155639-Winter-Project-bit-PBO-with-lots-of-pics&highlight=
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Portofino
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Going back to jcwads original question we removed the engines from our Fairline Targa 35 several years ago for a bit of a spruce up.
I posted at the time and it can be found on the link below - thankfully the pics have re-appeared after the photo bucket issue. OCD or preventative maintenance? You decide
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?155639-Winter-Project-bit-PBO-with-lots-of-pics&highlight=
Pic,s :encouragement
photo buckets retraction of policy ) do indeed paint 1000 ,s of words .Did you do anything to prevent future “ black belt disease “ ?
When I had a KAD 300 boat I took my pulleys off where I could and rubbed the rust off and used waxoil .I also waxoiled the alternator carefully which I think extended its life .Particularly the rear end where the terminals are , as eventually they rusted from water splashes ( taking out the strainer ) risking continuity failures.
Keeping the sides of the pulleys smooth and rust free cured the “ black belt disease “ .
There’s plenty of natural friction with the V shape and belt side walls and correct tensioners without having to rely on rust to get a grip and abrade the sides of the belts .
Before I did this one snapped @ sea , a rolley sea to be in the ER .
In a Sod’s law way it was the inner of three so I had to remove two good ones to access it .Arrgh ! After the pulley clean up I never got another snapped belt .
I never liked the way VP painted the black pipes as it eventually cracked and made a mess as well as looking poor .
Also with the KAD300 there was no rocker box gasket so after a valve job the seal was just a load of un aesthetically pleasing gob , which weeped oil , not a lot but mess creating all the same .
So yes over the years there becomes a tipping point cosmetically with these set ups corrosion wise and belt dust to bite the bullet.
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bluetooth
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Good point. Presume it was bad maintenance in first place. Boat had few owners and probably never high on their list. I knew on purchase the frame was rusted but it still worked so wasnt overly concerned. All maintained well now though!
MapisM
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Wow! I missed your thread, back in those days.
Not sure if congratulations made 10+ years after still count, but better late than never, I guess!
petem
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Going back to jcwads original question we removed the engines from our Fairline Targa 35 several years ago for a bit of a spruce up.
I posted at the time and it can be found on the link below - thankfully the pics have re-appeared after the photo bucket issue. OCD or preventative maintenance? You decide
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?155639-Winter-Project-bit-PBO-with-lots-of-pics&highlight=
Greg, ten years on, are you glad you did the work?
Greg2
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Pic,s :encouragement
Did you do anything to prevent future “ black belt disease “ ?
We spent a long time removing all the corrosion and tried to keep on top of it subsequently. Things were certainly better.
Got the same issue with our current KAD32s in the S34 - shredded an alternator belt a couple of weeks ago. Not thinking of removing the engines this time round though!
Interesting to hear about your regime with the KAD300s - I will bear it in mind when sorting ours.
Wow! I missed your thread, back in those days.
Not sure if congratulations made 10+ years after still count, but better late than never, I guess!
Never too late thanks
Well, we sold her afer about three years!! But yes, even with that short-ish period of continued ownerhsip I am still glad we did it.
It improved my boating experience becasue the engine bay was a treat and when we came to sell it helped maintain a reasonable price - as ever we lost money overall but it was also the experience of doing it that helped with overall satisfaction.
To be honest we always seek to improve our boats for our own enjoyment. Spent a bit on the Targa but did the Broom 41 on a budget - it was in great conditon overall but we improved the dash and electronics by buying used kit instead of the latest generation.
Cant say the same about our S34 - new bespoke moulded carbon fibre dash, complete refresh of electronics with new Raymarine gear, new cockpit upholstery and new canopy! Decided to do it all up front so we can enjoy for the whole pepriod of our ownership as opposed to doing it in dribs and drabs and then a new owner getting much of the benefit. Man maths struggling but the boat is now the 'dogs doo dahs' and we love it so money well spent I reckon!
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jcwads
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Thanks for the info, very helpful. Do PM me contact details as that could be an option.
I think engines out at this stage will be dependent on whether I take the boat to the med next season. But at least there is an option to remove the genny pan in situ...
Thanks for all comments and suggestions.
petem
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Incidentally, when I mentioned using a Dremmel to Col he was most dismissive and suggested that the pros use what I think was a "Needle Gun" (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANfm0K16MZs).
MapisM
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Hiya, M!
Sorry if I didn't follow up your post before, because I hoped to find in my files a few pics of a F165 which was for sale in the US a few years ago and had that modification done, with hinges on the aft side of the floor and actuators underneath, to lift the whole cockpit at the push of a button. Very convenient indeed! But I'm afraid I must have deleted those pics after I was done with my boat search, and I've not been able to find them again on the web by googling around now, either. All I managed to find, which more than likely is the very same boat that I had in mind, is this webpage on a US broker website, but unfortunately the pic links are now broken.
Anyway, if you check out that webpage, you will find "Electric Power Lift Cockpit Floor" mentioned in the text.
So, it definitely can be done, though I believe it would take quite a bit more more than just unscrewing the floor and fit some hinges.
In fact, as you surely know, the cockpit floor has two extensions on its aft section that go around the bench sides, which would restrict the lifting, if hinged right in front of the cockpit bench.
IIRC, those bits were cut and left fixed in that modified boat, in order to have all the aft floor border straight, hence hinge-able.
I'm happy to post pics of my cockpit, if you think that can give you some inspiration.
But that's not a job I made: it used to be factory standard in all DPs.
And it's actually not designed for ordinary usage (no electric actuators, all borders sealed).
Mind, not that I can't see the appeal of a quick and easy lift, of course.
That's something demanding a kosher job though, to avoid the risk of water ingress in the e/r right above the engines, whenever you get rain with some wind, or while rinsing the cockpit....
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Good grief! I can only imagine that the owner experienced so many engine problems with the boat that he felt it necessary to fit that
petem
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Good grief! I can only imagine that the owner experienced so many engine problems with the boat that he felt it necessary to fit that
Oi, my cockpit floor lifts up on a hydraulic ram!
I'm pretty sure it's big enough to hoik the engines out too.
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Yes but I assume thats because its difficult to get to some areas of the engine room for regular checks. On a boat of the size of the F165 you should be able to walk around the whole engine room and the lifting cockpit floor is only in the hopefully unlikely event an engine has to be lifted
markc
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True, access around the engines is absolutely fine, but headroom isn't great above the engines, so lifting the whole floor could be quite convenient, but certainly not imperative if it was a pain to achieve because, as you say, the whole floor lifts out anyway
9 year old for scale...
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Deleted User YDKXO
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My engine room has a broadly similar layout. Not surprising really. One of the differences though is that on my boat the panels on which your lad is standing have been dropped a few inches as far down into the bilges as possible such that I can stand between the engines at 6' 1" tall. I cant stand anywhere else in the engine room but being able to stand in the middle and carry out daily checks is a big plus (for my back). Could the panels in your engine bay be dropped at all to give you standing headroom?
