GeargeP's New Boat

[kidnapped]

GeargeP\'s New Boat

I had never heard of a Jeanneau Sunshine before and was impressed with the amount of praise being heaped on this design/model ... seems to have been a great decision to buy it.
Are there any other 'Gems' lurking in folks memories from times past? I have fond memories of a Swan 36, great seaboat with winning ways ... in Scotland anyway!
Nich 43 that followed was a deal wetter .... and the same crew couldn't beat a carpet!!

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[Robin]

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Around the mid to late '80's Jeanneau used big name designers like Tony Castro (Sun Shine 36, Sun Shine 38) and Doug Peterson (Sun Legende 41) for their cruiser racers and they were often well up in the race fleets. The original Sun Legende 41 was a French Admirals Cup One Tonner called 'Legende' and won SORC in 1985 too. These came with traditional all teak interiors and were not extreme distorted designs but capable well balanced and very fast, up or downwind.

Around the same vintage, Benneteau had the First 38, also good.

Others may come to mind later.

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[Sybarite]

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http://pages.infinit.net/yvonjac/

Here are some photos.

John

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[Mr Cassandra]

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Hi i belive that the Sun Magic was based on the hull of the highly successful offshore racer Indulgence,Her hull also incorporates kevlar to give added stiffness
The Sun Magic was intended to have a performance which would satisfy the racing and family/charter crew Imho. cheers bob t

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[Robin]

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Absolutely, yes I should have included the Sun Magic 44 too but couldn't think of the designer or the original raceboat, Indulgence is a pretty good pedigree! I think it's a shame they went away from this design route in later years, maybe the interior designers took over or the likes of Peterson and Castro got too expensive.

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[jamesjermain]

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I think we can look back on this era as something of a golden age for the cruiser racer. It was a time when top offshore racing hulls could be reasonably easily detuned and turned into club racers/family cruisers.

Two things then happened. First, the demise of the IOR and the movement of top level racing into every more rarified areas of hull and rig design under IMS and one-design classes made it was less easy to convert these boats to cruiser racers so new designs had to be found. Secondly the big builders spotted the market for high volume, easy handled boats for the charter fleets.

This has lead to a clearly defined split between spacious, family cruising-orientated designs from Beneteau Oceanis, Jeanneau Sun Odyssey, GibSea and Bavaria.

The cruiser-racer market has developed in its own way with its own original designs from the likes of X-boats, Beneteau First, Jeanneau Sun Fast, Elan, and the new generation Dehlers with Dufour, Grand Soleil and others sort of in the middle.

These makes currently dominate the market with niche sectors being served by the likes of Najad, Hallberg-RAssy, Malo, Contest, Wauquiez etc.


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[GeorgeP]

My New Boat

JJ

Someone told me that the Sunshine was based on a 1970s one tonner. Do you know if this is true?

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[Mr Cassandra]

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Hi the designer of the Magic was Daniel Andrieu.What I cannot understand is that the hull length is quoted at 43ft but the LWL only 34ft9" yet when I measure the rake of the stem there is only 15" loss of length ,and underway the transom is emersed at only 2-3 kts and when on her marks about 2ft under it Where the hell the other 5ft gone I dont know?
If you know where I can find more info on Indulgence it would be very welcome.
cheers bob t

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[qsiv]

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Which Indulgence? Are you referring to Graham Walkers boat that sank before the AC,. and was replaced by Phoenix?

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[Mr Cassandra]

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Hi not sure. If you read the thread you will see that we are talking about the Jeanneau range of yachts of which the Sun Magic, was based on the racing Yacht Indulgence.Which I belive was an AC boat, if it is the same ,how and why did it sink ? cheers bob t

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[Sybarite]

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It was certainly based on a race/championship winner but I can't remember the name.

John

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[Robin]

Re: GeargeP\'s New Boat

As you say James, this was a golden age and not dissimilar to the earlier one that spawned S&S 34's like 'Morning 'Cloud', Scampis, Co32s, Hustler 35s, Jeanneau Melodie, She 36 and many others I can't remember immediately. You would certainly not want to try converting a modern AC boat for cruising and for me the racing is boring too for a non participant.

Sailed our golden age gem from Poole to Yarmouth Friday pm, against the tide as far as N Head, 2.25hrs with just the genoa or about 7.5kts average SOG. (too lazy to set the main), Wind NW4/5. Passed an HR 42 on the way which had full main/genoa - AWB be blowed, I know which one had average performance and which has the wall to wall grin factor! We came back today still genoa only, still just 2.25hrs but lighter wind and tide 90% with.

Robin

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[Salty]

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Bob T,

I think some Indulgences may be mixed up (over-Indulgence?!) Graham Walker had a sequence of racing yachts all called Indulgence. The Andrieu designs were both One-Tonners (so the 35ft LWL would be about right), and the Two-Tonner that was the basis of the Sun Magic. That might explain the difference in LOA and LWL - maybe someone's got the two confused?



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[goupil]

Re: My New Boat

Jeanneau Sun Shine was based on "Justine III" One Ton Cup winner, I don't know which year but it must be 1980 or 1981 as the boat appeared on the market at the end of 1982.

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