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With 4.5kg Calor gas bottles impossible to get what are folk using?
Camping gas is very expensive and doesn't last long.
Flogas seems a good alternative but are there any stockists around Oban?

This is going to be a real problem especially if you want to sail to the OuterHebrides!
 
I have both calor and camping gaz onboard, I use an adapter on the reg which makes it easy to change over. Gives the option, 4.5kg are a pain to get down south too!
 
Assuming the similar size propane (reddish orange cylinders) remain available change your regulator and use that instead. Propane burns cleaner, is more energetic and has a far lower boiling point, so is more effective in cold weather.
 
sailingval said:
With 4.5kg Calor gas bottles impossible to get what are folk using?
Camping gas is very expensive and doesn't last long.
Flogas seems a good alternative but are there any stockists around Oban?

This is going to be a real problem especially if you want to sail to the OuterHebrides!
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Quite a few posts on these forums about refilling your own bottle from a larger donor one.
There was also a post that calor gas acknowledge the problems and are trying to get more new bottles in, but they are made in china .....

Edit - one thread in the lounge https://forums.ybw.com/index.php?threads/calor-gas-cylinder-availability.582360/page-2
 
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Here it seems certain suppliers are getting regular deliveries, many are getting none it's been a case of finding one who is getting regular deliveries. The marina here hasn't had any for a very long time, main supplier 5 miles up the road OTOH always has stock of 4.5s...
 
V1701 said:
Here it seems certain suppliers are getting regular deliveries, many are getting none it's been a case of finding one who is getting regular deliveries. The marina here hasn't had any for a very long time, main supplier 5 miles up the road OTOH always has stock of 4.5s...
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Its the same here. I searched the calor website for their registered local distributor. I was able to swap my camping gas cylinders for calor at no charge. It is a win win as the 907s have half the gas and cost nearly twice the amount. Plenty of availability as long as you know which day they get deliveries from Calor?
It's a shame my gas locker is 5mm short of taking the next size calor bottles.
 
Boathook said:
Quite a few posts on these forums about refilling your own bottle from a larger donor one.
There was also a post that calor gas acknowledge the problems and are trying to get more new bottles in, but they are made in china .....

Edit - one thread in the lounge https://forums.ybw.com/index.php?threads/calor-gas-cylinder-availability.582360/page-2
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This is a potentially lethal process if the cylinder is over filled with liquified gas as the cylinder could potentially explode, so unless the process is understood it is not something that should be encouraged.
 
TSB240 said:
Its the same here. I searched the calor website for their registered local distributor. I was able to swap my camping gas cylinders for calor at no charge. It is a win win as the 907s have half the gas and cost nearly twice the amount. Plenty of availability as long as you know which day they get deliveries from Calor?
It's a shame my gas locker is 5mm short of taking the next size calor bottles.
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Main depotin Pwllheli
 
Uplifted 3 bottles of 4.5Kg Butane from Jansvans Portree on Friday. Their computer said they had 54 bottles in stock. Taxi ride from the moorings but that's no great hardship....
 
skyemark said:
Uplifted 3 bottles of 4.5Kg Butane from Jansvans Portree on Friday. Their computer said they had 54 bottles in stock. Taxi ride from the moorings but that's no great hardship....
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On another forum they were saying it was against the law to carry LPG gas bottles on a train, bus or taxi??
 
superheat6k said:
This is a potentially lethal process if the cylinder is over filled with liquified gas as the cylinder could potentially explode, so unless the process is understood it is not something that should be encouraged.
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The liquified gas in the donor cylinder should be at a similar pressure to full Calor supplied exchange cylinder. I believe there is no danger of overpressuring a cylinder and causing an explosion as both internal pressures will equalise, which is how I read your post #11. All cylinders will be designed to have a large safety margin as far as internal pressure goes.

Explosion due to other causes, leakage of gas or liquid gas overfill ejecting are, of course, possible causes of fire/explosion.

I believe you are over egging the potential danger.

It is almost a casual procedure in some less H&S mad countries,plus many forumites have posted on here telling us what a simple and effective procedure it is.

Common sense failure is the most likely cause of disaster.
 
rotrax said:
The liquified gas in the donor cylinder should be at a similar pressure to full Calor supplied exchange cylinder. I believe there is no danger of overpressuring a cylinder and causing an explosion as both internal pressures will equalise, which is how I read your post #11. All cylinders will be designed to have a large safety margin as far as internal pressure goes.
I believe you are over egging the potential danger.
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The danger as I understand it is that the donor cylinder is inverted allowing liquid gas to flow into the recipient. If it's overfilled, there's no room for expansion with temperature rise and the cylinder can fracture.
 
AngusMcDoon said:
Wassat then? A previously unknown 7th state of matter akin to a Fermionic condensate? :p
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Why is it called liquid gas?

Liquids and gases are called fluids because they can be made to flow, or move. In any fluid, the molecules themselves are in constant, random motion, colliding with each other and with the walls of any container.
 
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