Future of boating after the loss of derogation, is it single engines?

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I was speaking with a dealer today who views the future of boating as more hard tops, and single engines for economy, this apparently is due to the fact people are getting fed up with canvas's and fuel increases.

Could this be true, and if so what size boat could you go to with a single engine?

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Not sure about this. Some 5/6 years ago we were paying 23/25p per litre of red diesel, now you are lucky to find it much under 50p - double! Did it cause a major swing to single engine boats - not sure that there's much evidence of that?. If derogation does take place, then for sure the cost will almost double again,but I doubt if it will turn the minds of many - at least amongst the boat owners I know.

Actually there is one, who frequents this forum from time to time, but he's spent the cost of several tankfuls of diesel fitting extra filterage etc to reduce the risk of it all going quiet half way across the Channel. I think it's the fear of this happening that will make many (most?) think twice about dumping one engine.

So, will it cause peeps to go single engine?? I personally doubt it, especially those who go a little further afield.

Every time Gordon puts another few pence on beer and fags, many say "that's it, I'm packing in". But do they? No, not for prices' sake anyway.

I personally believe things will carry on pretty much as they are now, though those with twin engines might not go so far, or travel at a more economical pace. Of course, those that sell singled engine boats will be doing their best to talk them up!!
 
I agree with you, look at the forecourt prices and are there any less cars on the road? No. As for the loss of derogation and how doom, gloom and armagedon was portrayed in the report to the government was nothing short of nonsense, if I was on the other side I would put forward exactly the same argument as you, yes fuel was 3 yrs ago 23p a liltre now 54p and the Solent is still packed out.

Maybe a few people in the wrong boat e.g. big engines they can't afford to fire up, but behind them are queue's of new people with enough money to run them who perhaps are waiting for the inevetable bargains that will appear if doom and gloom does happen for those in unaffordable boats. The dealers will be making a killing so more business for them, just need some clarity asap as the market seems pretty quiet at the moment on new boats.

Let's see what the poll says /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
I bought the 28 with the view that Red would probably disappear at some point, later if not sooner. The consumption of my twin KAD32's at a fast cruise (3000rpms = 20litres/hr each = 40litres/hr) wouldn't be much different from one D6-350 (2800rpms = 38litres/hr). The big single would be a bit faster, but we're not talking huge differences here.

350hp is 350hp, okay apart from when its 340hp, but it's close enuf, you know what I mean...

dv.
 
What about servicing costs, engine and legs? I reckon on £1,500 per year for both, that includes legs once every two years, never mind the cost of the additional engine in the first place.

Hmm, perhaps he WAS talking sense /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Everybody vote for 6 just in case the government are watching.

If they get a hint that you will pay even a penny more they will put 2p on /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Do you realise it is an offence to try and influence voters at the poll, please observe the importance of this vital piece of research for my psychology phd /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
....er sorry ! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Just thout you might be Gordon Brown in disguise, trying to hood wink us poor boaters. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Well 80% don't give a stuff /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif The fuel is the least of your problem if you are a boater, seems we have a resilient bunch on here who will continue to enjoy the sport whatever /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Not so good for the canvas hood makers, I wouldn't start an apprenticeship if I was looking at this, the dealers are moving away from them, first Sealine with the SC29, Finnmaster, Bavaria and others to follow, about time too, we need some interesting styling rather than the lazy jelly mould shapes with slight colour trim changes and minor alterations to justify a 'new' model /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Last year, the bits for a full service for both was about £650, and I did the work myself. That didn't include outdrive leg gaiters, which I would get the dealer to change.

So, about £650 one year, and £1200 the second.

dv.
 
Was talking to this chap on B pontoon at Chatham last weekend and I thought we agreed that doubling of fuel price would still mean most of the boats would still stay tied up like they are at the moment and that other costs were so high anyway that if you could afford to moor the boat and maintain it then extra fuel costs would not change your boating unduly.

Nice chap he was, too - got this really fast new boat...
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Great minds think alike /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Are you coming on the marina West India Dock cruise with a party night in the floating chinky restaurant this weekend?
 
i bought my s28 because it was a twin diesel, the way i saw it was by as big a possible to avoid being compared to single petrol after derogation. i could have bought a doral 250 with kad300 but that could be compared to petrol verions which are considerably cheaper. Single diesel prices dropped 6 months ago.
If your going to cover any distance the backup of twin diesel is most reassuring plus diesel is safer, more available etc etc
 
Nope - will be fitting new domestic water pump to replace kaput old one. Come to think of it, Spectrum Too has had so many new bits fitted recently it must be newer than yours now /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Also sailmaker promises new dodgers will be in the Marina Office saturday morning so the canvas work will finally match rest of the boat and we will not be exposed on the aft deck.

Then there is bilge painting, repairing mikuni heater etc etc.

All the joys of a larger older boat.

Now what were you thinking of buying?
 
Re: Future of boating after the loss of derogation, is it single engin

What is "Normal" about getting a dealer to do all the work?

I thought half the fun of boating was getting in there, getting dirty and doing the stuff yourself - at least if you do that (to a greater extent) then when it all goes tits up then you know what end of the engine is which ....
 
You don't have to be clever, just handy with a toolkit, and not the type to try running a high capacity pump in the bathroom /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Also if something does go pear-shaped at sea, I might be able to fix it. Or if it's the high pressure pump imploding or a piston appearing thru the side of the crankcase, I might not, but at least there is a chance...

dv.
 
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