Furious !!! (NB)

[DERF]

I've just found out that one of my senior Technical staff, has been charging other more junior staff for help and guidance, pocketing the money and swearing them to secrecy!!!!

Whilst I get my anger under control and before I fire the individual concerned...... What would you do????

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[flaming]

If I was you I'd hang onto someone that crafty!

Maybe move him into accounts or something...?

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[DERF]

Now that made me smile.....

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[DepSol]

Promote him and make sure he could do the same with the business.

If he has a mind to make money harness it and use it for your gain and not just his.

Serioulsy have a look at his qualifications and experience. If you think he could adapt to a better role in which he can use his cunning to find ways of making your business more money then do it. Sometimes there is a plus in a negative.

Other than that unless you realy want to get rid of him make him buy all the other employees a few rounds in the bar after work tomorrow as compensation.

<hr width=100% size=1>Dom

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.soltron.co.uk>the website</A>

 

[Roy]

Ascertain how much money, from whom and remove this amount from his paypacket and return it to the troops.

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[mainshiptom]

I agree with Dom ! and also stay calm !

Use people to thier best leave emotions out of business !

Tom

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[itsonlymoney]

Give him a raise, as he has shown innitiative. /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif
Ian

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[Kevin]

hi

to me the biggest concern are the gullible ones beneath him/her, they are the worries for your business I would have thought

Also Disagree with some who have said keep him/her on your payroll, as they might be purely deviant and can you afford to be putting your trust in them

Kevin

 

[jhr]

I'd undoubtedly sack him; he sounds a thoroughly unpleasant piece of work and, however ingenious he may be, I wouldn't want him working for me, to say nothing of the impression he must be giving to your other employees.

Assuming you want to fire him, make sure you do it properly. New statutory disciplinary and grievance procedures come into effect tomorrow and, although what you describe can almost certainly be regarded as gross misconduct, warranting summary dismissal, I would strongly recommend that you hold a hearing, to let him give his side of the story, and only make the decision to fire him once you have done so. Under the new procedure, you must also (a) let him have details of the allegations in advance (b) allow him to be accompanied at the hearing, by a colleague or Trade Union official (whether you have recognised unions or not) and (c) give him the opportunity to appeal against your decision.

This is not a wind up. Failure to follow this procedure will mean that he has a case against you for wrongful dismissal and it sounds like he's just the kind of person who will try and use the law to his advantage. I fear, however much of a scumbag he may be, that the law will favour him more than you. If in doubt (and I can hardly believe I am saying this /forums/images/icons/smile.gif) talk to a solicitor.

But sack him!

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[Roy]

Oh and get rid of him. He cheated you and your employees. Keeping him or promoting him will only send the WRONG message to your staff ie. - to get on, I must cheat and connive!

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[Clive_Rigden]

Insist on at least 15% + V.A.T. for youself . . .

Seriously though, you need to speak to him and find out why he's doing it. Is work-load, insecurity, incompetence or just plain coercion?

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[DERF]

wise words from you lot thus far and as always there is merit in seeking counsel from others when matters are close to home... however, this is flagrantly dishonest. Would you want someone who was dishonest in your firm.... even more dangerous to put them in a position of authority and give them autonomy..
No?

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[DepSol]

And more importantly a training regime for your Junior Staff. If they are all asking him what where why and how and you get rid of him then what are you going to do.

Some kind of plan should be put in place to ensure the people doing their job arent totally reliant on ths man. I think he is probably doing it cos he is undervalued and doesnt feel he is paid enough for his experience. If the above is the case then you need to inerview him to find out why.

<hr width=100% size=1>Dom

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.soltron.co.uk>the website</A>
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[hlb]

I'd sack him. But be carefull, Is it still emmediate?? Make sure you follow the letter of the law. I once had this trouble, so I waited for something else to crop up. Then I was ready and sacked him for that. Once sacked some one for going on holiday unanounced and taking the works van!!! But it was'nt emediat cos he gave me some sob story. Then we found some pictures he'd taken of him and his girlfriend with the van behind them!! But it was'nt then emediate was it so had to give him £500 to stop him going to the tribunal.

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Haydn

 

[DepSol]

I cant comment completel as I do not know the person and the situation involved. Ok there may be some dishonesty but find out why, is he just trying to con everyone or is there some problem that has raised its head and been stepped on by senior management and this is his way of sorting it.

Its all very well going to tak on this guy however, we are making decisions on someones future without knowing or having all the facts. If you feel you can then make a decision based on these facts and stick to it thats your business decision.

I recently had to sack someone from one of my businesses I co run as we caught him stealing money from the till on tape. We were still willing to let him have his job provied that he explained his actions and showed remorse. He showed no remorse and lied the whole way through the interview about it. He is now going to court but with a litte honesty he could still be working albeit not touchingthe till.

<hr width=100% size=1>Dom

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.soltron.co.uk>the website</A>
MMS Making boating more affordable

 

[DERF]

Dom,

You are obviously a better and more tolerant man than I am....

Notwistanding current employment legislation, If I had my way I would sack him and make him pay back every penny and in the process write a letter of apology to the other staff.. No one person is indispensible... and certainly not some cheating, conniving, smart arse!

He is paid extremely well and has a very senior position.... Frankly I don't really care what his motives were.... he used his position and authority to coerce money from others....

No doubt this nanny state will protect him and castigate me for my insensitive and unfair treatment of the poor little soul.. Pah!

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[robind]

"Redundancy, is the enema of industry" RD 1998
Rob

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[DepSol]

Yes I am too patient and trusting at times. As I said I dont know all the facts and the decision is yours to make.

However, please take into account my comments about training, if they are asking him for info there must be a reason why.

Best of luck rather you than me doing it.

<hr width=100% size=1>Dom

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.soltron.co.uk>the website</A>
MMS Making boating more affordable

 

[Bergman]

Absolutely right

No matter how clever no matter how ingenious he fails the integrity test.

Without that he's a liability.

Sack the b*****d - but sack him properly so he stays sacked

Personally I would repay those who have lost money to this character, if they are prepared to pay to do their jobs right they are probably worth paying.



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[clyst]

Maybe part of the fault lies with you .Maybe a bit more company training would relieve your junior staff from having the need feel they need to pay for guidance. Maybe you need to be seen a little more approachable by your staff-----maybe they're afraid to "knock on your door". Sack him if you like but are you sure he's 100% to blame???
Tin hat on and ready to be flamed!!
Terry

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