From disspointing to infuriating and beyond

burgundyben said:
I wouldn't have thought the content of the web link at the bottom of your posts is likely to help.
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I hadn't noticed that. Nice website. Hopefully the broker does see it and comes to some financial agreement with Jez to get it removed. If only more people did this kind of thing when they've been ripped off
 
FYI, a Google Search of 'Yacht Onami' list your site on the first page, around about 6th down, search the brokers name though and it is not there until page 6.

You could do with a few people doing these searches and clicking on the results to increase the page ranking.

Mike.
 
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burgundyben said:
I suppose it depends on the temperament of the broker, oh, hang on.....
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Mmm yes I see where you're coming from. Italian. Naples. Horse's head in Jez's bed and if that doesn't do it he'll become part of a concrete flyover somewhere:eek::eek::eek:
 
lionelz said:
Well i think ypu should take him to court if you right why should he get away with it. Its a lot of money
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I used to threaten to sue people quite often and back in the day when others were footing the bill I occasionally followed the threat with the action. I even won a couple of cases. One of those was a Pyrrhic victory by my reckoning but the person footing the bill was so pleased that we had "won" that he signed off the difference between the court-awarded costs and the actual invoices with a smile on his face. Now that I have to use my own money my golden rule is to never do anything that might conceivably take me within range of a lawyer's invoice unless my insurance company is standing behind me or I have a fixed fee quotation in the file. The last time I talked to a lawyer about something (it was actually boat-related) his parting words were that his fee was £300 per hour. PER HOUR. Not pesetas or drachma, pounds sterling. I reckon that works out at about £10 for the "Good Morning and how are you?" part of each telephone conversation.

Poor Whitelighter must make up his own mind what to do. If lionelz or anyone else cares to exhort him to fight they ought perhaps to back it up with a contribution to the costs. Put up or shut up.

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And if you really want to see some eye-watering legal costs, try fighting a defence to a libel action in the UK. Let's just run through this. The above comment (which I did NOT make) is posted on a forum which is established in the UK and subject to UK law. So if someone (let's say for example an Italian yacht broker with an established business and a reputation to protect) wants to do anything about it he sues in the UK courts. Have you any idea what that would cost to defend? Even if you won?

If I was a moderator of this forum I'd delete this whole thread right now before something nasty happens.
 
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TwoHooter said:
I used to threaten to sue people quite often and back in the day when others were footing the bill I occasionally followed the threat with the action. I even won a couple of cases. One of those was a Pyrrhic victory by my reckoning but the person footing the bill was so pleased that we had "won" that he signed off the difference between the court-awarded costs and the actual invoices with a smile on his face. Now that I have to use my own money my golden rule is to never do anything that might conceivably take me within range of a lawyer's invoice unless my insurance company is standing behind me or I have a fixed fee quotation in the file. The last time I talked to a lawyer about something (it was actually boat-related) his parting words were that his fee was £300 per hour. PER HOUR. Not pesetas or drachma, pounds sterling. I reckon that works out at about £10 for the "Good Morning and how are you?" part of each telephone conversation.

Poor Whitelighter must make up his own mind what to do. If lionelz or anyone else cares to exhort him to fight they ought perhaps to back it up with a contribution to the costs. Put up or shut up.
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Good advice I'm sure, but might Italy not have an equivalent of our Small Claims Court? That would seriously moderate and limit costs.
 
Whitelighter said:
Why remove the whole thread? I can't see the removed comment, but nothing else is remotely libellous
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Sorry, deleting the thread was an OTT suggestion. No need for that. But the comment that has now been deleted was IMHO very dangerous and the way the thread was going I thought that comment might provoke others.

I hope the thread will help others avoid the rotten experience you have gone through and I hope things go better for you from now on.
 
I think my point was small claims court. If Itay has one. in this country it costs about 100 pounds. But of course its up to the Op I hardly feel its putting pressure on . Some people need to not get upset over a minor comment and start start writing a novel in response
 
TwoHooter said:
But the comment that has now been deleted was IMHO very dangerous and the way the thread was going I thought that comment might provoke others.
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Just so the rest of us can learn and take note, please could you give us an idea of what was said and why it was considered so 'very dangerous'? With half the forum being banned this afternoon for unknown transgressions, we ought to know exactly where the boundaries are
 
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Just so the rest of us can learn and take note, please could you give us an idea of what was said and why it was considered so 'very dangerous'? With half the forum being banned this afternoon for unknown transgressions, we ought to know exactly where the boundaries are
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It was a direct accusation of criminality against a named individual. The mod who deleted it didn't consider it 'very dangerous', he considered it 'potentially defamatory' and I think he was correct.

Edit: what's this about half the forum being banned this afternoon?
 
jimmy_the_builder said:
It was a direct accusation of criminality against a named individual. The mod who deleted it didn't consider it 'very dangerous', he considered it 'potentially defamatory' and I think he was correct.

Edit: what's this about half the forum being banned this afternoon?
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Was that more defamatory than Jez's website? Yup the mods really cracked the whip this afternoon in the Lounge and there were mass bannings. http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?436355-Todays-Account-Suspensions-(20-07-2015)
Nobody seems to know why but perhaps there was an element of pour encourager les autres
 
The op must have had some very good advice.
Because if I was the owner or broker I would be seriously pissed off enough to take it to an Italian court if possible to try to make him buy it as it's no secret he's buying something else!
 
jimmy_the_builder said:
It was a direct accusation of criminality against a named individual. The mod who deleted it didn't consider it 'very dangerous', he considered it 'potentially defamatory' and I think he was correct.?
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Actually, it was a joke URL I made up.

To be fair, I made the comment with my tongue firmly in my cheek. Maybe that doesn't translate very well over the internet but I have chuckled at it being described as "dangerous".

The mods have deleted it now. In hindsight it wasn't that funny and was more in support of the lousy situation the OP has found himself in.
 
I haven't had the time to read this thread completely, but my 2c Whitelighter is that if the boat doesn't feel right to you then walking away is the sensible option. I am sure most of us suffer from what is called post purchase dissonance when buying our boats and it sounds as though there are enough things you aren't happy with to give you plenty of sleepless nights. I am sorry to hear that you have lost your deposit, but in the overall scheme of boating costs that is a minor cost.

As always I am very impressed by JFMs advice I read in the first few pages :cool:
 
Portofino said:
Along with the moisture thing , this may help perspective wise ?
http://www.yachtsurvey.com/moisture_meters.htm
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a great article re moisture meters and moisture readings - an older post but a good find.

And, whilst a long read this has been an education regarding the buying process of a used boat! Especially re deposits and valid reasons for rejection etc.
Thank you for sharing this painful episode.
 
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