david_e
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With a boat load of Brits being packed off to France for medical ops.....should we the boating fraternity read anything into how they can do it and we can't?
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rogerroger
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French health system runs at about a 20 billion franc (well Euros now of course) annual deficit. They put people first...
And hey - my boat's French, just to give this thread a vaguely yottie theme...
Roger Holden
www.first-magnitude.co.uk
And hey - my boat's French, just to give this thread a vaguely yottie theme...
Roger Holden
www.first-magnitude.co.uk
JeremyF
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Ignoring the medical point, the French and German yacht manufacturers have recognised that you can pull down price and manage quality by the investment in production automation, and decent marketing. Meanwhile British builders go to the wall (Westerly) or retreat to the temporary safety of specialist luxury yachts(Moody)
On the medical front, the formula is simple - spend a greater % of GDP on the health service. It does surprise me, however that they can get a better deal in France than from BUPA et al
On the medical front, the formula is simple - spend a greater % of GDP on the health service. It does surprise me, however that they can get a better deal in France than from BUPA et al
david_e
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Hey Roger my boat is French as well, and it is quite likely that my next one will be but the jury is still out (ie still researching).
Jeremy, I heard that they ring fence the taxes paid in so that a designated amount goes to the health service, ie what people vote for. Listening to a French Doctor this morning he made the point/asked the question, how come you pour billions into the Afghanistan war and yet you can't look after your own people?
There have been a few complaints about the site being boring so come on you xenophobes how can they do it?
Jeremy, I heard that they ring fence the taxes paid in so that a designated amount goes to the health service, ie what people vote for. Listening to a French Doctor this morning he made the point/asked the question, how come you pour billions into the Afghanistan war and yet you can't look after your own people?
There have been a few complaints about the site being boring so come on you xenophobes how can they do it?
Mr Cassandra
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boring
i don`t find the site boring, just the people using it .well you asked for some stimaulation. shit !!1 it`s hard to be clever when you can`t spell cheers bobt
Bob T
i don`t find the site boring, just the people using it .well you asked for some stimaulation. shit !!1 it`s hard to be clever when you can`t spell cheers bobt
Bob T
cgull
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Could make your yacht pay its way here...bring in Illegal immigrants and get a return load of (probably unfit)patients for hospital ops,make sure you charge these customers a return fare. Use a French boat for good measure.
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From personal experience whilst travelling, the health service in most Western countries is at least as good as ours. And its not just a matter of money - the treatment when you get it can be out of date and with consequently poor results, like much lower life expectancies from prostate cancer for example.
At this moment, I am typing this one handed having just been for a private op on my left hand - two years on the nhs list waiting to get onto the actual waiting list itself!
There are a whole raft of individual reasons for our failures in most areas, whether it be industry (Rover, railtrack, ici, br aerospace, marconi etc etc) sport or public services. When you think about it, we dont win at very much, really. But I dont know what the common reason is, though there must be one. Education? Class system? Lack of common patriotic endevour?
Any thoughts?
At this moment, I am typing this one handed having just been for a private op on my left hand - two years on the nhs list waiting to get onto the actual waiting list itself!
There are a whole raft of individual reasons for our failures in most areas, whether it be industry (Rover, railtrack, ici, br aerospace, marconi etc etc) sport or public services. When you think about it, we dont win at very much, really. But I dont know what the common reason is, though there must be one. Education? Class system? Lack of common patriotic endevour?
Any thoughts?
G
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Class System that\'s what it is !
There are many good things about being a Briton but the class system has now caught up with us - we are not pulling together.
Being at war with someone for most of our history held us together but must countries, and the old empire now see us as a joke really. Our Dukes, Lords Knights and all that twaddle divides us.
As one Frenchman sad to me a couple of years ago in a British marina - " Only the British could carry on using something like the Blue Ensign to be rotten to each other "
There are many good things about being a Briton but the class system has now caught up with us - we are not pulling together.
Being at war with someone for most of our history held us together but must countries, and the old empire now see us as a joke really. Our Dukes, Lords Knights and all that twaddle divides us.
As one Frenchman sad to me a couple of years ago in a British marina - " Only the British could carry on using something like the Blue Ensign to be rotten to each other "
Bergman
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Don'r agree with your conclusion.
France and Germany have better health services than UK
France and Germany both have substantially larger population than UK
NHS is the largest employer in Europe
Doesn't add for me
France and Germany have better health services than UK
France and Germany both have substantially larger population than UK
NHS is the largest employer in Europe
Doesn't add for me
JeremyF
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Simple really - France and Germany do not have monolithic structures like the NHS. THat explains the maths, and it might also be a contributing factor to the difgference in standards. But, no.1 reason is that they spend more on healthcare than us.
billmacfarlane
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How do they build mass produced boats and we can't ? Probably a complex mix of class system , lack of investment - we're notorious at not risking money in industry , and with apologies to the Royalists among you , the monarchy. In this country we're subjects , subject to the Crown as opposed to being equal citizens of a country , with everybody pulling together.
With regards to boat manufacture Hunter who build the Legend range , chose Britain because the MD said our labour costs are the lowest in Europe. Yet we can't do it for ourselves.
With regards to boat manufacture Hunter who build the Legend range , chose Britain because the MD said our labour costs are the lowest in Europe. Yet we can't do it for ourselves.
Bergman
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Still not convinced
NHS is monolithic structure with its roots in 1930s socialism.
I see lots of that culture remaining in it.
No other nationalised industry was efficient or profitable or gave the customer a good service. Why should NHS be different?
Pouring in more money would simple mean more things would be found to spend it on.
Having said that I must add that at its best NHS is brilliant - saved my bacon a couple of times.
Given an emergency I doubt there is better anywhere, its the routine everyday, service that lets it down.
NHS is monolithic structure with its roots in 1930s socialism.
I see lots of that culture remaining in it.
No other nationalised industry was efficient or profitable or gave the customer a good service. Why should NHS be different?
Pouring in more money would simple mean more things would be found to spend it on.
Having said that I must add that at its best NHS is brilliant - saved my bacon a couple of times.
Given an emergency I doubt there is better anywhere, its the routine everyday, service that lets it down.
Jeremy_W
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So what answer do you want? You asked how other Europeans countries manage health care better - you received the correct answer (more money spent) and you can't accept it. You digress into management structure. I think the NHS has had tinkerers poking at its structure every 2/3 years for decades - some good some bad (none has been able to jump the underfunding gap).
You admit that your experience of the NHS is good/brilliant, but you can't make the connections. As you say, if they put in more money things (more operations, more doctors, more nurses, shorter waiting lists) would be found to spend it on!
So, how would you get a quart out of a pint pot?
You admit that your experience of the NHS is good/brilliant, but you can't make the connections. As you say, if they put in more money things (more operations, more doctors, more nurses, shorter waiting lists) would be found to spend it on!
So, how would you get a quart out of a pint pot?
