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Some of you may be aware of the thread concerning the RNLI accounts
A lot of sniping is going on but one post raised my concerns

It appears that a British couple rescued by the French in the Rade De Brest were treated rather badly
Now I have no idea of the circumstances or truth in the actual post
But it does get me wondering about the French rescue services & how they treat those assisted
In this country , if I was in genuine need of assistance i would have no qualms about accepting help from the RNLI
But what if I was in France. Would I get a massive bill. i did read about someone being charged £ 10,000-00 for a simple tow in but this could have been more hearsay than anything else

Has anyone reading this had first hand experience & what was the outcome

Interesting reading this post as we had the big offshore all weather SNSM Cap Fagnet from Fecamp rush to our rescue recently with a nice bill at the end.

On our 30ft Sailboat, with All the engine checks/preps in the world couldn't have prepared us for the catastrophic engine failure that occurred to us!

All checks done and done again, inc weather batteries charged, radios/gps working, we headed West with almost due West F4-5 gusting poss 6 with wind over tide and sea state was over 2m swell passing over the headland at Etretat from Fecamp to Honfleur under motor, but expected to reduce significantly over morning, especially when we turn SW towards Le Havre. The weather was, as I would describe, a little uncomfortable, but my other have was scared to say the least, but I was confident of a smoother passage after the first 2 hours.

This was when the trusty Volvo Penta MD7 decided to change note! Something I can detect instantly! Revs up and down, I thought best to reduce throttle and check the engine, but instead it over revved at an alarming rate, so I shouted up to cut the engine, but nothing, I opened the engine bay with smoke and heat billowing, I was a little worried, but knew where all the cable linkages connected, so decided to manually cut the fuel and throttle. NOTHING! With the flywheel rotating uncontrollably even with fuel cut, I needed to starve the engine, somehow of fuel/air, but impossible with all the commotion and engine about to explode/catch fire, nothing for it, but Pan Pan to French Channel 16, just to state our position and problem.

At this point we turned through the wind as I pulled the gib out for some control, then the main and finally under sail back to Fecamp, but serious risk of fire, so fire exts at the ready.

Eventually, my other half did what we should never do and slammed her into gear, finally cutting the engine.

A friendly yacht that we waved to merely 20 mins before, heard the pan pan and doubled back to help. We thanked and said we were now under control and heading back towards Fecamp. During this time, we heard the French coastguard call Fecamp Station, who was now alerted and en route. We stated we were all ok, no fire and under sail and full control to Fecamp when in the distance we saw a big orange boat hurtling towards us, yes the SNSM Cap Fagnet lifeboat was en route.

Once communication was established, we set up a tow with a sea anchor and arrived unscathed into Fecamp where we were praised by the lifeboat for the calm control we had shown. The 9 or so people on board were fantastic and I cannot thank them enough, so they asked me to board with my papers where they presented me with a bill for their time of €517. They said my insurance would cover it, but it didn't! In any case, we were so grateful that they were there if needed that I ended up having to pay by credit card once we had settled in Fecamp.

Although I didn't request the lifeboat, I can only assume that the coastguard assessed our situation and deemed it necessary. All I can say is the situation could have been utterly catastrophic and the small price we had to pay was worth it although hindsight is wonderful as we managed to control the situation.

The problem in the end was a leaking seal in the injection pump where fuel was leaking into the oil, causing the unlimited revving and no control.

All I can say is a big thank you to the SNSM for their help in returning to Fecamp. Although RLNI would not have charged, the French operate differently and I would much rather have them there, even if there is a cost.

Looking back, I am glad we did what we did as it could have been seconds to disaster, but in the end, everyone was ok and the lifeboat crew back at work after lunch.

A very relieved and happy crew in the end.......
 

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Engine failure should not be a reason to call out the lifeboat.[/I]

engine failure in bad weather on a lee shore or close to shallow water or a busy shipping lane especially at night and/or poor visibilty may well be a reason for a lifeboat to launch

I disagree. If you rely on your engine to get you out of a situation such as you suggest you are not competent and should not be there in the first place.
 

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There would be no charge for taking you off a sinking yacht to save your life but if they rescued you by towing the yacht to safety there would be a charge.
 

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I disagree. If you rely on your engine to get you out of a situation such as you suggest you are not competent and should not be there in the first place.

My what a sour and sad attitude you have.
 

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So you would never sail in either bad weather, shallow water, close to a lee shore or cross a shipping lane
obviously little knowledge of sailing

I think it's the "if you rely on your engine" bit which is germane. A rather harshly phrased post, but I think he has a point. There is nothing which makes me feel as much of a bloody fool on a boat as the realisation that I have no Plan B.
 

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I disagree. If you rely on your engine to get you out of a situation such as you suggest you are not competent and should not be there in the first place.

We'll if your statement were true, all fishing vessels/ferries/motor cruisers should never be allowed to be on the water again! I'm a sailor and have backup in any eventuality, but I'm appreciative that not everyone has this luxury and in any case, try sail into your backup ports with the wrong direction of wind and swell and it won't go well!
 

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So you would never sail in either bad weather, shallow water, close to a lee shore or cross a shipping lane
obviously little knowledge of sailing

On the contrary. I sail in all conditions but the word is SAIL. I learned to sail on engine-less yachts and I do not rely on my engine so therefore do not panic and call for help if it's not working. If I have offended those who can't sail without the help of an engine well that's tough and I guess they will just have to live with it. Those who can't sail without an engine are the ones who should keep clear of bad weather, lee shores etc as I said in my original post.
 

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We'll if your statement were true, all fishing vessels/ferries/motor cruisers should never be allowed to be on the water again! I'm a sailor and have backup in any eventuality, but I'm appreciative that not everyone has this luxury and in any case, try sail into your backup ports with the wrong direction of wind and swell and it won't go well!

We were talking about yachts. The primary motive power of a yacht is SAIL and as such a sailing yacht should not need a tow because the engine refuses to start. A motor vessel obviously WILL need a tow if her engine breaks down as she has lost her sole means of propulsion.
 

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We were talking about yachts. The primary motive power of a yacht is SAIL and as such a sailing yacht should not need a tow because the engine refuses to start. A motor vessel obviously WILL need a tow if her engine breaks down as she has lost her sole means of propulsion.

So in your book it is only OK to give tows to motorboats, do they not have tenders with motors or even oars/paddles that can be deployed?

I feel like I'm a very competent sailer and have twice sailed a yacht with a non-functioning engine from inside Cherbourg marina back to the UK, once into Lymington yacht Haven marina and once to Poole Quay. I was fortunate to have some wind, neither too little nor too much when it was required and to have decent sailing boats with decent sails and a competent crew on board to help. I was also once the crew myself on a friend's 24 footer crossing the channel in 27hours:disgust: in very fickle winds (it only had a Seagull outboard). Yet in post #18 I think my experiences in the Raz De Sein and a tow from SNSM lifeboat from Audierne that was NOT actually requested by me but by the French CG after the fishing boat that towed us clear of the Raz had asked them to do so. I also sailed one in almost no wind back from the Owers light buoy to Brighton marina in thick winter freezing fog ( pre GPS days too) after the shaft coupling sheared on a delivery trip from Brighton to Poole of a friend's new boat, Sometimes sh!t just happens and confounds even the wisest of armchair sailors.

IIRC the infamous Pardeys refined even their deep seated opinions of engineless sailing when they ran aground in Lymington approaches in a fast running Solent tide and no wind.

count yourselves lucky you have the RNLI, the USCG is not in the same league at all except in their heroic movies shown on Discovery channel.
 
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IIRC the infamous Pardeys refined even their deep seated opinions of engineless sailing when they ran aground in Lymington approaches in a fast running Solent tide and no wind.

I know they collided with a buoy after failing to get through the Portsmouth entrance, and ended up moored to it by their dinghy painter for some hours...

I've also heard it said that you're not a proper blue-water cruiser until you have given the Pardeys a tow somewhere in the world :D

Pete
 

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I know they collided with a buoy after failing to get through the Portsmouth entrance, and ended up moored to it by their dinghy painter for some hours...

I've also heard it said that you're not a proper blue-water cruiser until you have given the Pardeys a tow somewhere in the world :D

Pete

Well I didn't tow them in but did take tea with Lyn on board Serrafyn a few years back when they spent time in our YC marina in Poole and also had the honour of s guided tour of their boat.

One thing however, they did not sneer at others using their engines when required.:encouragement:
 

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So in your book it is only OK to give tows to motorboats, do they not have tenders with motors or even oars/paddles that can be deployed?

I feel like I'm a very competent sailer and have twice sailed a yacht with a non-functioning engine from inside Cherbourg marina back to the UK, once into Lymington yacht Haven marina and once to Poole Quay. I was fortunate to have some wind, neither too little nor too much when it was required and to have decent sailing boats with decent sails and a competent crew on board to help. I was also once the crew myself on a friend's 24 footer crossing the channel in 27hours:disgust: in very fickle winds (it only had a Seagull outboard). Yet in post #18 I think my experiences in the Raz De Sein and a tow from SNSM lifeboat from Audierne that was NOT actually requested by me but by the French CG after the fishing boat that towed us clear of the Raz had asked them to do so. I also sailed one in almost no wind back from the Owers light buoy to Brighton marina in thick winter freezing fog ( pre GPS days too) after the shaft coupling sheared on a delivery trip from Brighton to Poole of a friend's new boat, Sometimes sh!t just happens and confounds even the wisest of armchair sailors.

IIRC the infamous Pardeys refined even their deep seated opinions of engineless sailing when they ran aground in Lymington approaches in a fast running Solent tide and no wind.

count yourselves lucky you have the RNLI, the USCG is not in the same league at all except in their heroic movies shown on Discovery channel.

In your original post you said quote ''fishing vessels/ferries/motor cruisers''. I don't think a fishing vessel or a ferry would get very far using a tender and out-board or a pair of oars.
As for experiences in the Raz de Sein.Last season my gear box packed up when i was cruising the La Rochelle area single handed. No sweat. I sailed down there using the motor only to enter marinas so no problem getting home to Camaret. Just island hop back anchoring each night avoiding the marinas. It was end of August beginning of September and I was plagued by lack of wind. Upon finally anchoring at St Evette I knew I must wait for a good wind for the Raz to avoid the situation you found yourself in. I had to wait for six days before I got a forecast of NW5 and did the Raz comfortably.
The worst thing you can do in the Raz is pass with little or no wind forecast because as with all headlands a force 3 often translates as no wind at all off the headland and that as you found can be very embarrassing!
 

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In your original post you said quote ''fishing vessels/ferries/motor cruisers''. I don't think a fishing vessel or a ferry would get very far using a tender and out-board or a pair of oars.
As for experiences in the Raz de Sein.Last season my gear box packed up when i was cruising the La Rochelle area single handed. No sweat. I sailed down there using the motor only to enter marinas so no problem getting home to Camaret. Just island hop back anchoring each night avoiding the marinas. It was end of August beginning of September and I was plagued by lack of wind. Upon finally anchoring at St Evette I knew I must wait for a good wind for the Raz to avoid the situation you found yourself in. I had to wait for six days before I got a forecast of NW5 and did the Raz comfortably.
The worst thing you can do in the Raz is pass with little or no wind forecast because as with all headlands a force 3 often translates as no wind at all off the headland and that as you found can be very embarrassing!

May we all learn to be as perfect.
 

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Upon finally anchoring at St Evette I knew I must wait for a good wind for the Raz to avoid the situation you found yourself in. I had to wait for six days before I got a forecast of NW5 and did the Raz comfortably.

Just to be clear if your gearbox had had not packed up at the time it did would you have still waited for 6 days for a good wind. Of course if you did not wait and your gear box packed up in the Raz you may have had to call the life boat?
 

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Bank Holiday Monday.
Swanage lifeboat tasked to tow in a yacht with a fouled propellor approx 15 miles south of Swanage.
The yacht was making under 2 knots.
Is this a good use of RNLI services? Personally I would have asked them if they had considered joining Seastart.

Hooray - at last a mention of Seastart! When I had anVolvo MD2B I joined them and they were brilliant. When the engine finally committed suicide just outside St Malo at 7pm and I couldn't raise anyone on the radio to tow me into the marina I tried calling them by phone. They found the Volvo dealer in St Malo who came out and towed me in free of charge.

Admittedly they did sell me a new Volvo 2020 the following day - but at a remarkably good price.

Last weekend I listened to a Mayday in the Solent. Yacht (motor - I hope) suffered engine failure in Osborne Bay. Wind SW 3 - 4. Lifeboat sent.

With the info I heard the answer should have been; anchor, proper inspection to see if problem could be resolved, call to Seastart or any number of boatyards just round the corner.
 

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Along a slightly different vein I listened to a call to the CG shortly before the 2005 Trafalgar Celebrations. We were in mid channel when we heard a relaxed call from a yacht also mid channel to inform the CG that they had a net around prop and rudder. There was little wind and they couldn't steer but they were working on clearing it. In the normal professional way the CG asked to be kept informed of progress

Then a Dutch warship en route for the Celebrations called to say they had a diver on board and were diverting to help. Then French warship called to say they had 2 divers and were diverting. Then the RN call to say they were also on their way! I suspect the marginally distressed vessel was simply glad the nuclear powered US carrier was already at anchor at Spithead.
 

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Just to be clear if your gearbox had had not packed up at the time it did would you have still waited for 6 days for a good wind. Of course if you did not wait and your gear box packed up in the Raz you may have had to call the life boat?

I would not use the Raz de Sein without a decent wind. It's asking for trouble. I sail my boat always as though she has no engine so the question does not really arise as without a good wind I stay put. I would really like to dump it and save the weight and prop drag but I am realistic and know that I need it to enter and leave marinas single handed and for the occasional trip up rivers. For me it's the challenge in sailing although I appreciate not everyone has the time to sail as I do.
 
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