France post Brexit.

[Hadenough]

Bloody hell! It's still going! And so are we so thanks for the responses and we will report back (assuming that we survive :encouragement Seelonce.

 

[akyaka]

Depends on which point of view you take. The French, Portuguese & Spanish can't afford a mass exodus due to the spending power of ex pats and the effect it would have on the holiday accommodation market so, as you say, they will want a compromise. OTOH, the majority of other states don't have that problem and comments so far would indicate that they won't let us have free movement unless it's reciprocal. Under present EU residence law, I don't think France Spain & Portugal will be allowed to make up their own rules.

I think the PM is correct in not saying existing workers can stay in the UK as she needs the bargaining power. It will be interesting to see how it all turns out.

If you want a model as to how it could operate post Brexit look to us in Turkey as they apply the Schengen rules. UK citizens are allowed to stay up to 90 days in any 180 and if longer you apply on line for a Residency Permit which can be any period up to on renewal two years and which is straight forward and not expensive; marinas are recognised as residences.

 

[RupertW]

If you want a model as to how it could operate post Brexit look to us in Turkey as they apply the Schengen rules. UK citizens are allowed to stay up to 90 days in any 180 and if longer you apply on line for a Residency Permit which can be any period up to on renewal two years and which is straight forward and not expensive; marinas are recognised as residences.

Does that mean a UK boat can stay in a Turkish marina all year as long as it's only visited up to 90 days in any 180?

 

[akyaka]

Does that mean a UK boat can stay in a Turkish marina all year as long as it's only visited up to 90 days in any 180?

Yes unless you obtain a Residents Permit . Its no different I understand than what people who are none EU citizens have to do when visiting now and they have the downside of the 90 days applying to the whole of the Schengen area

 

[macd]

Does that mean a UK boat can stay in a Turkish marina all year as long as it's only visited up to 90 days in any 180?

Just as, say, a New Zealand boat can currently stay in an EU marina for an extended period, 18 months-plus. (Granted that the 'extended period' is rather longer in Turkey, in fact it's so ephemeral I've never seen it defined. It's also the case - or, at least used to be - that a non-Turkish yacht should be put in bond in the owner's absence, although this was often not enforced.)

Worth a reminder that so far as EU fiscal law is concerned the nationality of a boat is not defined by its flag, nor even by the nationality of the owner, but by the owner's country of residence.

 

[akyaka]

Just as, say, a New Zealand boat can currently stay in an EU marina for an extended period, 18 months-plus. (Granted that the 'extended period' is rather longer in Turkey, in fact it's so ephemeral I've never seen it defined. It's also the case - or, at least used to be - that a non-Turkish yacht should be put in bond in the owner's absence, although this was often not enforced.)

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mcd a yacht can stay for up to 5 years without leaving Turkish waters

 

[macd]

mcd a yacht can stay for up to 5 years without leaving Turkish waters

Thanks, akyaka: I knew it was quite a while (in fact more than long enough to be deemed permanently exported from the EU).

 

[GrahamM376]

Worth a reminder that so far as EU fiscal law is concerned the nationality of a boat is not defined by its flag, nor even by the nationality of the owner, but by the owner's country of residence.

That's why it pays to have residence in more than one country. Whichever one is chasing for tax on the boat, you're resident in the other

 

[akyaka]

That's why it pays to have residence in more than one country. Whichever one is chasing for tax on the boat, you're resident in the other

I think you will find that tax is owed in the country in which the income is earned and nothing to do with residence .

 

[macd]

I think you will find that tax is owed in the country in which the income is earned and nothing to do with residence .

Sorry, but that's just not the case. Many countries levy income tax on the "world wide income" of residents. That said, most countries have double taxation treaties with some other countries which often override that. Such treaties vary considerably in their provisions, to the extent that neither your assertion, nor the opposite ("all income is taxed in country of residence") can possibly be regarded as true.

 

[GrahamM376]

I think you will find that tax is owed in the country in which the income is earned and nothing to do with residence .

As macd says, that isn't always the case. Forget UK tax rules when in another country as many belongings such as houses are taxable assets and, like cars, motor bikes etc. can't be owned without a fiscal (tax) number. We met a Dutch couple in Spain who had just been stung with a €7,500 tax bill on the boat as they had exceeded their residence period and hadn't declared it. Their pensions and all other income was taxed at source in Holland but that made no difference.

 

[akyaka]

Sorry, but that's just not the case. Many countries levy income tax on the "world wide income" of residents. That said, most countries have double taxation treaties with some other countries which often override that. Such treaties vary considerably in their provisions, to the extent that neither your assertion, nor the opposite ("all income is taxed in country of residence") can possibly be regarded as true.

Sorry that is the case. As I was answering a specific point about avoidance of payment through dual residence I did not complicate by the also positions that you mention and with which I agree

GrahamM367 your example exactly illustrates my point that tax is primarily owed in the country in which it is "earned" and has nothing to do with residency . Being potentially liable for tax in two countries I never considered it from a UK only point of view.

 

[Sybarite]

We keep our boat in France and we have not experienced anything except the usual French friendliness and courtesy.

All the people we have talked to about Brexit seem puzzled by it and sympathetic to those of us who have opposed it. As one said to me about Brexiteers "We also have our share of complete idiots"

Today's experience :

Started chatting with my pontoon neighbour, Yvanik. Mentionned my starter problem. Alain arrives saying that he is buying a boat at Tréguier tomorrow. Yvanik says to Alain now that Guy has joined in (a retired professional super yacht skipper) that John (me) has a starter problem. He (Alain) asks me if I have an electrical tester and, if not, he will nip home and pick up his. Yvanik, who buy now has served everybody with the first of several "rosés" says not to bother because he has one. Alain transfers to my boat and in minutes tracks down the problems (1) a fuse has blown on the starter relay and 2) there was an airblock in the diesel fuel line.

Boat gets started and runs sweetly except when the gear is engaged. The roughness will need treating.

Back for another rosé and rdv for tomorrow. (Except Alain who will be in Tréguier). Typical of the day to day life at the marina.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Today's experience :

Started chatting with my pontoon neighbour, Yvanik. Mentionned my starter problem. Alain arrives saying that he is buying a boat at Tréguier tomorrow. Yvanik says to Alain now that Guy has joined in (a retired professional super yacht skipper) that John (me) has a starter problem. He (Alain) asks me if I have an electrical tester and, if not, he will nip home and pick up his. Yvanik, who buy now has served everybody with the first of several "rosés" says not to bother because he has one. Alain transfers to my boat and in minutes tracks down the problems (1) a fuse has blown on the starter relay and 2) there was an airblock in the diesel fuel line.

Boat gets started and runs sweetly except when the gear is engaged. The roughness will need treating.

Back for another rosé and rdv for tomorrow. (Except Alain who will be in Tréguier). Typical of the day to day life at the marina.

Could be typical of a day in many marinas you just might have to substitute, tea, coffee or beer for the rosé. Many an owner would have the necessary equipment and knowledge to identify and rectify his simple problems without interrupting his neighbours drinking because if you do you inevitably end up doing anything other than the job in hand, you woz lucky:encouragement:

 

[balder]

Re: France post Brexit.Start by the beginning: say "bonjour", "merci" et au revoir" .

Could be typical of a day in many marinas you just might have to substitute, tea, coffee or beer for the rosé. Many an owner would have the necessary equipment and knowledge to identify and rectify his simple problems without interrupting his neighbours drinking because if you do you inevitably end up doing anything other than the job in hand, you woz lucky:encouragement: