rotrax
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Thank you-nice to know another is in agreement.
Forget boat security
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Thank you-nice to know another is in agreement.
AntarcticPilot
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That's a pretty scary link! I knew cylinder locks were pickable; I hadn't realized that it was that easy, with the right equipment.
However, even that skill isn't necessarily required. My daughter locked herself out of her car a few months ago, and the guy who came out simply gently pried the top back corner of the doorframe to allow a tool to be slipped in to operate the internal handle. There was plenty of spring in the door frame to allow that, without causing any damage.
Many years ago, my late wife worked for the Electricity Board, in their debt recovery team. One of the guy's she worked with had the unenviable job of going out to cut people's electrity off. Under those circumstances the Electricity Board has the right of entry into a property, and they often had to break in to properties - under police supervision, I hasten to say! This guy reckoned he could break into ANY residential property without causing damage (if they caused damage, they had to make it good). Of course, he didn't have to worry about alarms, but even so it makes you think if a pretty ordinary guy with no criminal contacts could gain those skills, how much easier is it for those who attend the crime university of our prison service?
aluijten
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If it really was that simple then there would never be any burglary with entrance damage. As there is still plenty of this occurring logic dictates there is still a significant group that has not the skills or the time to use these means of entering.
As said before, if they really want there is no way to stop them. It's all about attractiveness.
The recent burglaries in Apple stores show the problem; if you make it clear to the burglar what's inside and the value is high enough, he will go through a lot of trouble. Ask any jeweler. So a good lock is never the final answer, only part of it.
lustyd
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was it an older car? in the "olden days" there was a simple wire connecing to the lock which could be pulled to unlock - once you've seen a door with the inside off it's trivial. With the new fangled deadlocks this is no longer possible (I'm told, I'm not a thief!) because the lock detaches when deadlocked so even someone inside the car can't unlock it. This also leads to the warning never to lock someone inside a car these days by pressing the deadlock button!
lustyd
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There are plenty of videos online showing that it is indeed that simple with that kind of lock. That's why your insurance company ask which type of lock is fitted because "proper" locks won't allow that type of thing to work. This also answers your question of why there is very little burglary of this nature - most people don't rely on just a Yale type lock on their front door because insurance says not to.
AntarcticPilot
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It was an older car - but not all that old; new enough that the old trick of pushing a bit of wire down by the window wouldn't work!
aluijten
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Fascinating, the lock has been approved by the insurance, that is why I bought it!
Graham_Wright
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I worked on a computer installation at AWRE for a while. Someone broke into my Humber Hawk and stole the radio (actually, in those days, it was a valve radio and they only had half - the other half was under the bonnet).
Infuriated, I installed a "deterrent". It might be worth consideration for boats.
The first stage was a concealed switch (under the valance) that needed to be operated (covertly by foot) whilst opening the door. If this was not activated, the two tone horn would sound (yes - one of my colleagues had to prove it which, in AWRE caused the appearance of armed guards and dogs!).
The second stage was that a polythene-coated wire in a ventilated metal box was connected across the battery (sums done - no fuses blown).
The resultant acrid smoke would drive any intruder out of the vehicle at supersonic speed.
I suppose that would contravene some elf and safety regs now.
Infuriated, I installed a "deterrent". It might be worth consideration for boats.
The first stage was a concealed switch (under the valance) that needed to be operated (covertly by foot) whilst opening the door. If this was not activated, the two tone horn would sound (yes - one of my colleagues had to prove it which, in AWRE caused the appearance of armed guards and dogs!).
The second stage was that a polythene-coated wire in a ventilated metal box was connected across the battery (sums done - no fuses blown).
The resultant acrid smoke would drive any intruder out of the vehicle at supersonic speed.
I suppose that would contravene some elf and safety regs now.
lustyd
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Sorry I was talking about house locks at that point. I think boats are less stringent because they are made of plastic/wood so locks don't make much of a difference. If you could cut around a front door on a house in 10 minutes it would probably be similar there.
