JumbleDuck
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There is no requirement to be registered to count as a British vessel, and there are some restrictions on what you can fly: basically, not another country's ensign. Otherwise it''s as you say.
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There is no requirement to be registered to count as a British vessel, and there are some restrictions on what you can fly: basically, not another country's ensign. Otherwise it''s as you say.
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JumbleDuck
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If the vessel is not registered, how can it ‘count as a British vessel’
Haven't I already done this? Merchant Shipping Act 1995 1 (1) (d):
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Yes, but for a non-UK/EU/EEA/Commonwealth citizen/subject, the question still remains.
For a boat to be considered registered, it must be owned by someone able to register it.
However, if the owner is not 'qualified' to register, then the boat cannot be considered British, surely.
JumbleDuck
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Yup, as I said back on page one or thereabouts.
lw395
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If it's not registered, it's not registered as a British vessel. That doesn't make it a non-British vessel, just an unregistered vessel.
I have a racing boat, which if I took it to France, I'd technically have to register on the SSR. But it's not registered on the SSR. It's still a British vessel with a GBR sail number.
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Only if you, the owner, are British and resident in the UK.
What of those of us living in the UK that are not UK/EU/EEA/Commonwealth citizens?
Although, if you have a GBR sail number, then it is registered with a UK racing authority
- Technically, that surely makes it a British registered vessel
lw395
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Technically it doesn't, this was argued out befoe the SSR was created, an RYA sail number was deemed not acceptable or adequate 'registration' by the French, and probably others too.
lw395
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If you want the privileges of being a citizen, apply for citizenship.
It's not the UK's role to register foreigners' ships.
But I'm sure some RYA affiliated clubs and class associations will give any member a GBR sail number if you want one.
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"Wanting" is not the question.
The question is just a matter of which flag. If a matter of residency, then all well and good - Simply hoist the flag of the country in which taxes are paid.
If a matter of citizenship, then the flag must be that of the owner's (if on board) nationality.
Third possibility - no flag at all at the stern.
Just club, association or house flags on the top of the mast or on the appropriate spreaders.
Perhaps they would, but that's not 'registered', as you say.
Although it might be enough for UK MCA to have less reason about whether to investigate.
If it saves wasting their time & mine, that can't be a bad thing.
lw395
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But in the old days, I seem to recall landing in Cherbourg and being asked for a passport.
If your passport doesn't match the registration of the boat in your name, you are IMHO inviting grief.
If your passport doesn't match the registration of the boat in your name, you are IMHO inviting grief.
RichardS
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As long as you have a letter of authorisation from the registered owner of the boat stating that you have their permission to sail the boat, there should not be any problem.
Richard
JumbleDuck
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Because such a thing could never, ever be knocked up in ten minutes on any old computer and printer.
RichardS
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That's exactly how I produce mine. Is there any other way?
Of course, the signature must not be produced by computer.
Richard