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Screwie

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Hey all,

Quick question with regards to flag. I currently have the Dutch ICP for my boat (based in Mallorca), but as I understand now, this is not valid anymore as a "flag" for the boat. I'm not sure of the consequences to be honest... I guess I need to re-register the boat to get it an official flag in some country? Can I still go out with the boat even though I only have this non-flag ICP? I'm moving the boat to Italy soon, so I want to make sure that all the papers are in order...

Thanks for any help!
 

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I'm not sure what an ICP is, but marinas in the Med expect you to have an official registration document for whichever country your boat is registered in - normally your country of residence.
 

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The line of least resistance requiring the least explanation would indeed be if you are not transient .Transient defined as spending more than 3 months in Italy - you take a berth contract etc .

This is the modal I have adopted in France and the reasoning behind it - ............

1- your Passport sinc ed with reg document , and your flag .
2- There safety equipment , not your flags .
3- There boaty qualifications.

Whilst in the EU there’s been reciprocity with qualifications and nobodies really bothered anyhow so folks have banded about the RYA stuff and there ICC , that might change ?

Outside the EU ( assuming your have a UK passport? ) if you are transient then your qualifications will not be scrutinised, nor should your safety gear you are allowed to sail around the world ,But and it’s a big but if the U.K. falls out re denied reciprocal arrangements for citizens between EU , you are NOT defined as transient ie basing your boat there , then it’s not unreasonable for that country be it Italy , France , Spain or Greece to be instructed by Brussels to apply the correct international maritime laws.

Safety stuff is easy walk into a chandlery credit card at the ready .You just need to paperwork wise check you can evidence the service on your ERIB and Life raft to Italian specs ,along with correctly dated fire extinguishers and so on .

The qualifications bit is a moot point , over the horizon and hopefully if the EU / U.K. enter into reasonable reciprocal citizens arrangement s it never gonna surface .


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Although nobody’s ever asked for proof in 14 years trapesing about in the Med it makes sense to be able show paperwork wise -the boat was initially VAT paid and has not left the EU area .
Any reg docs from a compulsory boat reg, ed state assuming you bought it from a Spaniard , French or Italian ( there may be others ? ) will help .
For example I have a copy of the original Italian “ blue book “ the original deflag doc from Roma port authority, so it’s obvious it was VAT paid in its early life in the Med .A few calls and emails to the Roma port should deal with that .
As will a reference to the other reg authorities if applicable depending on where you got the boat from .

How far you end up or want to deviate from the above modal 1,2,3 Its up to you but in my view you are opening yourself up for greater potential hassle .

Time will tell !
 
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Regarding ICC, this is the RYA view...

Will a ‘no deal’ Brexit mean I can no longer rely on my ICC when boating in the EU27?

The International Certificate of Competence (ICC) (or to give it its full title International Certificate for Operators of Pleasure Craft) is not an EU document. It is issued under the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE) Inland Transport Committee Working Party on Inland Water Transport Resolution 40. It is this resolution which details how and to whom the ICC may be issued, the syllabus requirements, the layout of the certificate and it also lists the countries which have notified the UNECE Secretariat that they have accepted the resolution. The UK Government has accepted Resolution 40 and has authorised the RYA to issue the ICC on its behalf.

Evidence of Competence for recreational boating is generally a matter for domestic/national legislation. If the EU were to develop a skipper licensing for private pleasure craft directive or regulation at some point in the future, acceptance of the ICC in EU countries might change. But at this stage we have no reason to suspect that acceptance of the ICC might change as a direct consequence of Brexit.
 

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Yes, I meant ICP. I talked to the watersportverbond in Holland which issues them and it seems it mainly just doesnt count as a 'flag' document, but it is still fine to use to show you own the boat. It's somewhat confusing... in terms of other rules you most likely have to comply with the country you're in... I'm Dutch so I guess I'll see about getting an official Dutch registration... this stuff is more complicated that I thought... :-(
 
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