Fjord 28 Motor Sailer. anyone sailed one?

[Jcorstorphine]

Has anyone sailed one of these yachts. They seem very practical as the main can be set from the mast which is located in the cockpit. They are a bid outlandish and I worry if they would be hard to sell.

 

[Sybarite]

Has anyone sailed one of these yachts. They seem very practical as the main can be set from the mast which is located in the cockpit. They are a bid outlandish and I worry if they would be hard to sell.

No I haven't but I did look seriously at the Fjord 33 MS. It's hard to see how such a lovely boat (33') can have such an odd looking stable mate.

http://www.google.fr/imgres?sa=X&hl...176&start=0&ndsp=40&ved=1t:429,r:15,s:0,i:129

 

[Davy_S]

They have been trying to sell one on Apollo Duck based on lefkas for over two years now. I have never sailed one but the loading on that genoa forestay must be huge! Certainly a little bit different.

 

[Davy_S]

 

[bitbaltic]

There's one slowly decaying in Langelinie marina in Copenhagen. I haven't sailed it and it looks like nobody else has for years either. It never moved but I suppose somebody is paying its fees (if not cleaning of the stupendous marine growth). Don't know if this means they are not good to sail but it is definitely a very odd boat.

Cheers

 

[DHV90]

One sold after only a few months on the market in Portsmouth for around £8,500. I was hoping it'd be me but I missed out by a margin of hours after the other party submitted an offer!

There is a guy on this forum I believe who lives aboard one in brighton?

I did visit the boat and the interior space is incredible, so much of it and so well designed, opening front window, indoor helm, the V berth infill has a pole to convert it to a table for an extra seating area, everything is beautifully and coherently built, felt like a really high quality boat. Never got to sail in it unfortunately, but when the system is that simple, the space available really comes into it's own and the slower speed can't be much of a hinderance, you can set her going and then sit back and enjoy!

 

[bitbaltic]

I did visit the boat and the interior space is incredible, so much of it and so well designed, opening front window,

I can't think of anything I'd want less on a boat than that..... What happens if a boarding sea decides to open it for you :O

Cheers

 

[Jcorstorphine]

Will it sail and will it sell?

One sold after only a few months on the market in Portsmouth for around £8,500. I was hoping it'd be me but I missed out by a margin of hours after the other party submitted an offer!

There is a guy on this forum I believe who lives aboard one in brighton?

I did visit the boat and the interior space is incredible, so much of it and so well designed, opening front window, indoor helm, the V berth infill has a pole to convert it to a table for an extra seating area, everything is beautifully and coherently built, felt like a really high quality boat. Never got to sail in it unfortunately, but when the system is that simple, the space available really comes into it's own and the slower speed can't be much of a hinderance, you can set her going and then sit back and enjoy!

I liked the internal layout with the second inside steering position and the deep cockpit but it is such an odd shape boat. The sail plan is similar to some catamarans where the mast is set aft of the coachroof. I would suspect it is ok on a broad reach but will be poor to windward

My worry is that it may be difficult to sell but as you say, the one in Portsmouth went quite quickly as I had been in touch with the guys there but never saw it.

I saw one on the Clyde back in the mid 70s and it looked very futuristic and I was quite impressed with the style but 40 years on it does look a bit odd.

Here is the link to the one at Portsmouth.

http://portsolent.boatshed.com/fjord_28cs-boat-161717.html

 

[DHV90]

is indeed an odd shape but that's part of what attracted me to it. Ultimately, if you don't pay well over the odds (as in, I think the portsmouth one is a good marker of value for a reasonably well kept example) then you're unlikely to struggle to sell it for the same in the future. It's a factory built boat as well, no home finishing, so everything is nicely made and laid out which will always help with resale at that kind of money.

As for sailing experience, may not be much use as I can't vouch for it with personal experience but in the folder of info for the portsmouth boat there was a cutting of a practical boat owner sea test of the 28cs and they said something along the lines of having not tried heaving to but under general sailing conditions it sailed as well as any other cruising boat of it's size with no obvious shortcomings as a result of the rig design. the Portsmouth boat was a really tidy boat though, really well cared for and everything was in lovely condition.

 

[Bajansailor]

Here is a copy of the Builder's catalogue from the late 70's :

 

[Jcorstorphine]

That clinches it

Here is a copy of the Builder's catalogue from the late 70's :

Wow, That is the perfect boat for me, all these "bimbettes" I assume these come as standard and we can just jump into the sea. Never knew the Baltic and the Norwegian Fjords were so warm, Love it, going over to clinch the deal tomorrow: watch this space.

 

[DHV90]

Good man! Im very jealous, where did you find another for sale and how much was it??

Any chance of a little trip when you get her?

 

[Jcorstorphine]

Good man! Im very jealous, where did you find another for sale and how much was it??

Any chance of a little trip when you get her?

No problem, so long as you bring the bimbettes

 

[Jcorstorphine]

Good man! Im very jealous, where did you find another for sale and how much was it??

Any chance of a little trip when you get her?

Have sent you a PM

 

[simanlaci]

I am actually the one who bought it at Portsmouth and than it is at Brighton now. It is in a really good condition, I can confirm that... Perfect space and layout. Since we bought it gales follow gales so we do not really have a chance to sail it much.

 

[chinita]

Looking at the brochure it is marketed in much the same way as my LM.

Seems that the Scandos are adept at finding tiny, but perfectly proportioned and photogenic, people to pose in a variety of ways!

 

[Mitchellsbouy]

Hi there ,
yes I recently bought a 1979 28CS and sailed her from Greenbanks in Falmouth home to Fowey just yesterday.
I had a crew of two 70+ year old friends accompany me , they have 126 years of sailing experience between them and totally loved the day .
Under engine alone there's a lot of prop walk being a canoe stern, but to be honest I still manage to put her alongside most pontoons alone so I feel there's often too much tach theory talk over such issues and practical experience is frequently a different story.
Sure, compared to my lightweight and sleek Jaguar 21 fixed keel the Fjord is a little more cu,nerd one, but it's just a different car for a different track.
My Fjord has the original Volvo Penta MD2B with hydraulic drive to the propshaft and it uses roughly 0.4 litres an hour at 5knots on a pretty usual day, maybe 12-17 knots wind speed against the high air draft and a neap tide at mid flow of say, 2.5 knots , so as a rough guide to fuel consumption for the cumbersome scale of the Fjord, I think she's pretty economical when motor sailed or just motored too.
The mast so far aft is a wonderful asset due to the well spec'd deck hear, making dropping the main straight into the centre cockpit easy , though it's a good arm needed to sheet in the Genoa when close hauled even with the big winched mounted high on the aft cabin roof .
Maybe I'm just getting weaker in my aging body haha, but maybe using new ball bearing blocks on the generous side decks for the sheets would lessen the load too.
Overall I'm sad to go from the sleek traditional lines of a yacht to the motor sailor , but my body is thanking me for choosing to do this after years of motorbike racing in the 1990's left me with 5 damaged vertebrae and 2 collapsed discs in my spine.
That does have a little relevance here because if I can manage her single handed then anyone else could too , with ample accommodation for taking crew the options just open up every trip and that to me is what a happy sailer is all about.
I hope this helps somewhat , I'd love to learn more about these craft myself too , I've a host of documents and surveys from previous years , my interior is currently as it left the factory but I'll be refitting her before heading to the Isles of Scilly once my Jaguar is sold , so meanwhile , if anyone want specs , dimensions or photos please drop me a line and I'll do what I can to help.
Best wishes
Mark Hind
sailmaker2@yahoo.co.uk









QUOTE=Bajansailor;4400999]Here is a copy of the Builder's catalogue from the late 70's :

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[Mitchellsbouy]

Hi there ,
yes I recently bought a 1979 28CS and sailed her from Greenbanks in Falmouth home to Fowey just yesterday.
I had a crew of two 70+ year old friends accompany me , they have 126 years of sailing experience between them and totally loved the day .
Under engine alone there's a lot of prop walk being a canoe stern, but to be honest I still manage to put her alongside most pontoons alone so I feel there's often too much tach theory talk over such issues and practical experience is frequently a different story.
Sure, compared to my lightweight and sleek Jaguar 21 fixed keel the Fjord is a little more cu,nerd one, but it's just a different car for a different track.
My Fjord has the original Volvo Penta MD2B with hydraulic drive to the propshaft and it uses roughly 0.4 litres an hour at 5knots on a pretty usual day, maybe 12-17 knots wind speed against the high air draft and a neap tide at mid flow of say, 2.5 knots , so as a rough guide to fuel consumption for the cumbersome scale of the Fjord, I think she's pretty economical when motor sailed or just motored too.
The mast so far aft is a wonderful asset due to the well spec'd deck hear, making dropping the main straight into the centre cockpit easy , though it's a good arm needed to sheet in the Genoa when close hauled even with the big winched mounted high on the aft cabin roof .
Maybe I'm just getting weaker in my aging body haha, but maybe using new ball bearing blocks on the generous side decks for the sheets would lessen the load too.
Overall I'm sad to go from the sleek traditional lines of a yacht to the motor sailor , but my body is thanking me for choosing to do this after years of motorbike racing in the 1990's left me with 5 damaged vertebrae and 2 collapsed discs in my spine.
That does have a little relevance here because if I can manage her single handed then anyone else could too , with ample accommodation for taking crew the options just open up every trip and that to me is what a happy sailer is all about.
I hope this helps somewhat , I'd love to learn more about these craft myself too , I've a host of documents and surveys from previous years , my interior is currently as it left the factory but I'll be refitting her before heading to the Isles of Scilly once my Jaguar is sold , so meanwhile , if anyone want specs , dimensions or photos please drop me a line and I'll do what I can to help.
Best wishes
Mark Hind
sailmaker2@yahoo.co.uk









QUOTE=Bajansailor;4400999]Here is a copy of the Builder's catalogue from the late 70's :

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