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"As long as it is not your wife" you say but what if it is? .

I think that everyone that responded to this matter have that same reservation.
When I post this question on the forum, I took it as a given that a situation can arise in which one should be able to defend what is close to you.
As to wether I am able to use a weapon let me say this.

I was a soldier and rifelman in the infantry of the RSA defence force during the time that we had to defend our boarders against terrorists. I had special training as terrorist fighter. I was a sniper/ sharpshooter
Iwas trained to use any weapon available, including the AK47.
My Pistol was so part of my dresscode since 1972. At 20 meters I can empty the magazine ( 15 rounds ) in a 75mm (3") grooping, without even aiming. Just from the hip. Needless to say that their are also a lot of rules and safety precautions that every soldier learns, espescialy in terrorist fighting. When we moved to Amanzimtoti (Durban) to be closer to a harbour where we could start learning to sail, I went nowhere without my pistol. (which is of caurse a weapon for self defence, close up, for your person. Usable at close guarters.
One thing is for certain, however. You draw your gun only to use it. You keep it hidden away untill you reach that point where you have to use it. You negotiate as far as you can. Then you outwhit your anemy so that you can be in a better position if need be. You never use it to intimidate someone by showing it off or press it under his nose like in the movies.
I am proud to say than in all these years I never had to use it. Thank God for that.
There surely is a very big misconception by most people as to the capabilities of terrorist /Thieves/ murderers/ drugdealers, etc. as well as their moral and ethic behavior. That must be because of the fact that decent educated well brought up people are also humanly not capable of even thinking of such horrific behavior that these people, no, creatures are capable off.

I heard on a pannel disgussion on th telly this week that more than 19,000 people were murdered last year in the RSA (with a population of 45,000,000) The USA (with 260,000,000 population) had 16,000 murders. That means more than 52 people are being murdered each day in the RSA. Sometimes for a cellphone. You stop at a traficlight and the man standing there so innocently pulls out a weapon and shoot you dead through your locked car and closed window. Through your body out on the ground and drive off with your car. Or what will you say if a naighbourer's child of only 10 months are being raped and then killed. Last year a 75 year old Grandmother, her daughter and three grand daughters were molested and drawned out of their house by there leggs and all five being raped several times. Another child of nine were raped, trought cutt and throughned into a seweridge drain. Unbelievable but true. You can say but this happens only in the RSA but many of you pointed out that their are crooks out there. Does'nt matter what they want they all think the same. They behave the same. As one person pointed out that somebody was shot, for what. It is not suposed to happen but it does. When my wife or myself or anybody else are killed it will be of no concelation to say but at least you were in the right. You obeyed the law, or you did'nt shoot first, or at all!
With this senario facing you, you must decide weather you will take some form of self defence or will you discuss the ending of your live with a crook, or leave that decition for your wife to be raped to a hooligan with now felings whatsoever.
There is no bigger mistake you can make as to underestimate your enemy.

Those of you who recomment something in the order of some kind of way to be able to defent your loved ones or your yacht, I do believe is right.
I wanted to know weather it would be wise to take my pistol with me on the yacht as a selfdefence meganism.

I am also pleased to say that this discussion opened a clear vision for me and I thank you all for that.
Their are three most usefull pieces of advice that I will take from this forum.

1. Someone said Pray. I will keep on praying to God as always

2. Avoid the risky areas. This is one off the reasons why I never had to use my weapon for self defence. I rather stay away from a place if I knew there is a posibillity of trouble.

3. Use then, if you must, a flare. This I will have to practise as for now I don't now very much about flares.

4. When I leave the med. for another lacation I will however reconsider.
 

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The meddy is one thing, I would have other things to say about other areas, make no mistake about that, I too have carried and trained in numerous types of weaponry and thank god have only had to use them a few times, I just tend to avoid, as much as I can being an oilfield worker sometimes in lots of places in africa, places where I'm likely to get into trouble.
RSA is another kettle of fish, living there, you protect yourself, a sensible thing to do.
I have no intentions of sharing my military history with you or half of the forum, lets just say my 12 years was eventful.
 

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Hi again to you too Sigmundo van Dog.
Thank you for your intrest and kind words.
I realy appreciate the fact that I start feeling that I sort of know you. You even start to recocknised me on the forum.
I would love to sent you a foto of Katryn. She is a Birmese cat and a real lady in the house with the most beautiful blue eyes you have ever seen. She must be the Cindy Crawford of the catworld.(and catwalk) She is 14 years young and I think she will axceed 20. So she wil hopefully be with us for some time.

If you would be so kind as to send me your E-mail adress please.

Etienne.
 

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Hi Etienne...glad to see you took the trouble to highlight a couple of crimes out there. I've tried to explain all this to UK folks many times but I don't think they get it at all.
You have to live there, hey.? If you're determined to take something with, & as you have plenty of time before you start cruising, you could swap your pistol for a little stainless steel .38 revolver that hides in your pocket nicely. But as others have suggested, not for the Med.!

Cheers...
 

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Sorry LadyJessie but I think it is a little off the original post, however I do understand it so please don't worry!
All the posts have been most informative. No need for expletives though! Don't have nightmares.
 
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Been reading this with a lot of interest, lots of great contributions and points well made, wouldnt want to live in a place like RSA which seems from the reports a very violent place.

On my boat I do not keep a firearm, I am in the med and intend to stay there for a while yet.

At home, many areas subject to violence, burgalaries, muggings etc, tend to avoid those areas anyway, but they are now coming to us.

In my youth I was a competitive fencer, and for my home protection I keep a foil close by in my bedroom, believe me it can do a lot of damage in proficient hands.

Maybe take one to the boat, though always like others here found the Meddy very safe, so if you see someone practicing on his fordeck its not a remake of an Errol Flynn movie...its me.

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My appologies Lady Jessie. As you can see I am knew at this. Even the forum. I am sure I will get the hang of it sooner or later. More sooner than later I hope.
Enjoy your stay in the Med. Hope we will meet somewhere there in calm waters.

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Hi Angelson. I am so into this cruising thing I even turned my back on the rugby which is unecceptable for any " Afrikaner".

Everybody is talking about how save it is in the Med.
That is why I want to go there. I want to take a delight in civilisation.

Talking about a foil. Here in the RSA we are more familiar with the " assegaai and knopkierie". That is like a spear and a baseball bad.

And you dont need a licence. It is regarded as "traditional weapons"

Good luck to you too.
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Was it not Hal Roth who used a stick of dynamite on a cross bow bolt to warn off an approaching threat in or near Somalia.........now that would give some impact !! but only so long as your timing was good !!
 

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Spose a gun is nice and quick but it makes a lot of noise and can alert the other baddies to a potential problem..

A well placed kitchen knife...(eyeball, neck...goolies)...will but just as effective...and you can see their utter disbelief as their life silently drifts away leaving you with a gun and none of the problems
 

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Re: Firearms on board

Wow...what a bloodthirsty lot...
Like Colin, I have had, lets say an adventurous past, & as I am sure Colin would agree, it ain't like the movies.

You do not under any circumstances carry firearms on a boat the best they would do is get you into more trouble either with intruders/pirates or with the authorities so no advantage whatsoever.

On land in say SA then maybe as a form of self defence it is just possibly justfied, but again you should have an adequate defensive stratergy before the event- bit like insurance.

A boat, even a sailing boat is a very difficult thing to get on board unless you are at anchor, so not too dificult to defend. As far as pirates are concerned the areas of danger are fairly well known - so avoid!

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If only you knew how wrong you are.
Nobody can be as blind as he who does'nt want to see!
Just look at the knews from time to time in RSA.
Crime is everywhere in RSA.
I live in the most peaceful part of South Africa. ( according to an official pole) People in Jo'burg and the rest of the country call Bloemfontein a farm bacause, according to there rating, nothing happens here. Well I can tell you that crime and violence happens here everyday. Last week a student was raped by five men while her boyfriend was molested and tide-up so that he can watch them doing there dirty "Job". This happend at a public place that many students and other people visit.
The week before another girl was raped who eventially died of the wounds that was inflicted to her.

I have found that many people air there views about RSA
and only show how poorly they are informed.

The police in Bloemfontein give out a forum report every month which informs the public of the crime during the previous month. Also informs the people of the latest scams and tricks of the crooks, warning them to be on the alert. If you think that crime in the RSA only exist in places like Jo'burg, Which by the way is not even the most dangerous place in the RSA or where crime is at it's peak, you sure'ly are making a very big mistake.

Just where did you got your information from. How can you make a statement like "It just ain't so" on international forum and even accusing somebody else that he is promoting violence if he talks about the crime in the RSA.
Did you know that last year more than 19,000 people were murdered in the RSA. That is more than 52 people a day. And that is just the murders. They actualy specialise in robbing and stealing. Then there is the coruption. Even amongst the
cabinetministers and the coverment.
In the RSA 80% of the knews is crime, murders, children who dissapear, coverment officials who are being accused of crime. There is a trial on at the moment where the deputy president of the country are being accused of taking bribes during an international weapon transaction. The same deputy president was in court a year ago for raping a HIV positive women. I can fill pages and pages of these and even worse crimes. And believe you me,I only knows a fraction of what really happens in the RSA.
Don't you ever see any of these on the news. Get yourself a knewspaper from South Africa and see how many positive news events you can find in it, for I am sure it would be easier than to see how many crime there is in the RSA.
 

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Well said, Etienne.! This probably never was the right place to go into the gory details of what goes on in RSA, but I think it will probably help someone, somewhere around the world, who reads this & is planning on visiting RSA, & if your posts put them on their guard, that can only be a good thing.
I remember cases in the '80s, of UK guys emigrating to RSA, arriving & booking into cheap downtown Hotels to save money, going for a walk after dark to have their 1.st look around JHB, & being robbed & stabbed to death. Didn't even last 24 Hrs in the country. All because nobody told them anything.! No wonder we're permanently armed over there.! And that was when WE ran things. Now...? It's got to be 10 x worse.!

When I lived in Durban in the '70s there were many cases of defenceless crew being robbed on their way into town from the docks.
One good thing though,, I've never heard of any 'piracy' in South African waters.

Tot Siens.!
 

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Re: Firearms on board

We rather got off the subject but just to put the record straight, I don't usually rise to the sort of sensationalist crap being spouted.
However - having just recently spent quite a lot of time in SA, I agree there is a high rate of violent crime but it is mostly in places that I would not visit, & any sane person would not go as well. The relations I was staying with in South Jo'burgh also had full security measures in place, as a sensible precaution (insurance)

What I was driving at is, if the press in SA are anything like the press in UK then they play on the common peoples fears in the name of sensationalist journalism to sell papers. In the UK overall crime has actually reduced & it is only in some areas that there is a problem, & this is probably the same scenario in SA.

I am not denigrating the facts, yes there are many violent crimes but it is not difficult to avoid those areas.

To see senior citizens in the UK in a perfectly quiet area, being afraid to go out just goes to proves the crap that the tabloid press put out.

tara.
 
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Going to need all the luck we can get in the World Cup, thanks for your best wishes, better extend mine to you for when you are playing the southern hemishere, and that from someone who lives in Wales.
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Sorry not promoting it at all, burgalry is high in towns all over the uk.
Some are committed by addicts desperate for a fix, and or otheres with no respect for life or property, ask your local plod.
There wont be any sweaty moments on my stairs trying to persuade an intruder not to scare or maybe worse to my family, He will have the opportunity, which he may not offer me, to lay down quiet while I call the police, otherwise he gets the 'point' and bleeds.
Sorry if this offends the 'Guardianistas' out there but I dont have time to council him about whether he had a teddy bear or not, just time to make him aware how unwelcome he is in my home.
 
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Re: Firearms on board

In the UK overall crime has actually reduced & it is only in some areas that there is a problem, & this is probably the same scenario in SA.

Wow another startling New Labour lie, dont mean you are but no credit to you for repeating the spin.

Highest ever prison population doesnt equate with lowering crime, many now not getting custodial sentences because there is no room for them.
 

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Etienne,
As others have stated, you will have no need of a firearm in the Med. Be aware though of a Turkish habit - it has happened to us 3 times when anchored off remote beaches used by the locals - men have swum out to our boat and climbed aboard without invitation, just to say hello and have a drink with us. No harm was meant, they did it just to be sociable. One was the local Imam who returned later in the day to invite us ashore to take dinner with his family. It's a habit that I've only experienced in Turkey.
Just enjoy your visit to the Med.
Henry
 
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