Fiat/Iveco Engines

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Considering moving to a 40' Broom 1992, looked at one 1st impressions very clean, advised the engines where Fiat 300hp, engine's & bay clean and tidy and looks cared fore, I know this could be window dressing.

Paper work states engines Iveco 8061 300hp originals. Ford & Fiat do share parts in the car trade.

Questioned engine hours approx 560hrs, service records advised owner was an engineer , asked what type of engineer blank look, there are receipts for general oils filters etc but no real service record, before moving to surveys etc, can you guys advised if these engines are any good or Fiat quality from the 90's, are the reliable, any major items I should be aware off, and do the rust way, like there cars used too .

Any tech info on GPH, top speed, and cruising speed GPH appreciated, as the dealer recons 8GPH both engines cruising, which I find hard to believe.

Any other info greatfully received


Thanks
 
Have worked on a some iveco marine engines, they are very reliable and never need much more than a regular service.
You dont see many of these in pleasure craft as they are more of a comercial engine. If any thing I would say they are a bit over engineered.
Service parts are readily available and very reasonably priced (unlike volvo/yanmar)
 
Friend of mine had a Fiat/Iveco 220hp lump, 5.5l I think, in his previous boat. Gave him no trouble at all, though he did only keep the boat one season. It looked like a very substantial piece of kit and had minimal visible corrosion despite being about 20 years old.
 
IVECO 8062 300's

Gemini,

Sorry to spoil the view of others.

I have seen 8061 300 with broken crank this week. Snapped just behind the damper. Called a pal who is IVECO/AIFO agent in Australia. Not a pretty story. The reply was "surprised it is has not dropped inlet valve, crank normaly goes after 1,500 Hrs. IVECO do a special deal on cost of new crank"

Not sure about such a sweeping statement called IVECO at Winsford who were amazingly open about crank breakage and quoted a valve part number change to address the valve breakage.

As for parts pricing I have a genny with the 8031 engine £300 for a gasket set.......No cannot agree.
 
I re-engined my Birchwood with smaller Ivecos back in the mid-90's after months of research and agonising over which engines to go for.. Although the boat is now being enjoyed by another owner, the Ivecos haven't missed a beat in 14 years and thousands of hours of use. My current boat has a single 6-cylinder, 5.9 litre Iveco (I'm pleased to say!) over 1000 hours on the clock and runs like a watch. I would recommend the brand to anyone.
 
Alnmaritec Waveworkers like Ivecos!

Have a look at this list of Waveworker catamaran working boats built by Alnmaritec in Northumberland - quite a few of them are powered by Iveco engines.

http://www.alnmaritec.co.uk/class_worker.html

'Mad Betty' was one of the earlier vessels built, and I think she is still on her original engines - and these (shell)fish farm boats do get worked pretty hard!
 
Was in charge of maintenance for a fleet of 147 Iveco Ford Eurocargo's back in the nineties from 7.5 tonners to tractor units. Reasonably new fleet, but I don't know anything about Iveco engines other than changing oils and filters.

These things were hire vehicles (driven by paddy's) and many were hot seat (one driver gets out at the end of the working day and another gets in at the start of his), so they did not have an easy life.

The fact that I never saw inside anything further than the rocker cover speaks volumes.


Was told once when on an Iveco training course at Winsford, that the reason Ford went into partnership with Iveco was to get their hands on the engines. Ford could not afford the development work to make an engine so advanced and able to comply with the then Euro 2 emission regulations.

so ford Engineers must rate them highly too.
 
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Iveco engines

Tinkicker,

You came across as a guy who knew his stuff.

Ford had already switched to Cummins to replace the Dover, both for Europe and Brazil produced versions. IVECO was in trouble with the 8040/8060 Series way back and was signed up with Nissan Diesel in 1990 for JV to replace all their whole engine range. Late in the day the small 6 litre engine hit serious technical problems. The Nissan designs saw the light of day as the Cursor engine range, however the small engine was ditched. IVECO bought into the Cummins ISB engine, purchased the whole Case Tractor B Series production line in Germany and shipped it to IVECO engine plant France, their version of Cummins engine is the Tector. The Euro II 8040/8060 were just interim engines until they managed to get Tector into production. The 8030/8040/8060 plant was then shipped to India.

I agree that in trucks pretty trouble free however has patchy reputation in high output marine, Google IVECO/Aifo valve drop and or crank breaking and you get the whole story.
 
Latestarter.

I'll take your word for it, you seem to have very in depth knowledge :)

As for the 8060, we had some 8060.25 low blow Euro 2s sneaked into Euro 1 chassis as trial vehicles, being a high volume purchaser with lets say a non sympathetic driver profile.
It gave the Iveco guys at Winsford fits one time when they would be teaching Euro 1 75E15 stuff and we piped up with completely different configurations than they were showing us.
If I recall, the soundproof boxing made em prick up their ears, however the fuel filters fitted down by the front axle gave em fits. Euro 2 was not even supposed to be in the country at the time and they had only the barest technical specs. I guess Guiseppe over in Italy had some good English practice that week.

This was about the time the motorcycling world made me an offer I couldn't refuse and not touched a diesel since. Even my own motor goes to the dealership for service.

So you are right, I DID know my stuff and was paid handsomely to know it, now I have only dimly recalled memories.
 
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Tinkicker,

You came across as a guy who knew his stuff.

Ford had already switched to Cummins to replace the Dover, both for Europe and Brazil produced versions. IVECO was in trouble with the 8040/8060 Series way back and was signed up with Nissan Diesel in 1990 for JV to replace all their whole engine range. Late in the day the small 6 litre engine hit serious technical problems. The Nissan designs saw the light of day as the Cursor engine range, however the small engine was ditched. IVECO bought into the Cummins ISB engine, purchased the whole Case Tractor B Series production line in Germany and shipped it to IVECO engine plant France, their version of Cummins engine is the Tector. The Euro II 8040/8060 were just interim engines until they managed to get Tector into production. The 8030/8040/8060 plant was then shipped to India.

I agree that in trucks pretty trouble free however has patchy reputation in high output marine, Google IVECO/Aifo valve drop and or crank breaking and you get the whole story.
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All I know is that during that period, indeed 1988 to 2001, Hitachi and Fiat had a manufacturing partnership, we were the UK and Ireland market leader for the sale of crawler excavators, all those years at least twice as many a Cat for example.

We sold thousands of machines into the most arduous conditions some with little or no regular service and maintenance, we had very few issues and no repeat or generic faults, 14,000 hours plus, no problem, without touching them, this was unprecedented and many of competitors would be happy to get 6 to 8,000 hour out of an engine.
 
The broom 41 is boat number 1 I presume with offshore power boat at Lymington they have had that boat for years for sale they took it in as a partex, its been stood a long time, the price in my opinion has to be reduced even further before it becomes attractive.

That is due to the facts, its an early version with the interior and the single type radar mast which dates it, secondly its the only one built with the iveco engines and they were not particulary a great success in the marine leisure market, the boat will be underpowered for its weight.


A mate had a mark 1 broom 41 with volvos tamd61a 306 hp engines he only kept it 6 months, it drank heavy, rolled a lot and for the first time ever in his boating history his wife became seasick, though to be fair ive worked on brooms a lot and dont mind the ride though a bit bow high for me.

I would say its worth around 115 to 120k max.

I have rebuilt some of the smaller iveco engines they seem to suffer bore wear rapidly in marine use, they dont have particulaly good coolings systems either and parts are not readily available like other makes, its a bit of a lemon really and could do with a nice pair of yanmars in the make it nice.
 
Thanks guys views slightly changing now, amazing the info available from this forum

Just for consideration, what's a budget number to Re-engine with similar size Yams and expected fuel consumption and cruising speed.

Are the 41's a rolly vessel?
 
I have done quite a few sea miles in 41s and are an excellent long distance boat, if you are interested then arrange a sea trial to make up your own mind. These boats are built very strong and cut through the worst of seas with ease, if you think the 41 rolls then go out on a fly bridge sealine and see what they are like coz they really do roll.
There were two 41s built with ivecos and the one at offshore power boats has already sold a few weeks ago.
all engine manufacturers suffer their fair share of problems so it doesnt really matter what is fitted as long as you look after them the best you can.
 
Spent a week on a 30, Firth of Clyde, went all over the place, got weathered in at Campletown, but the trawlers were stuck as well, we left when they did, still pretty heavy weather, but we had no problems, well built and lovely finish, and durable (this was a hire craft) at least 12 years old, but you would not know it.
 
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