Ferry nearly mows down yacht - whose fault?

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We've got photo's and at least one independent witness who saw the whole thing. We may even have more evidence than any investigation might come up with.

The answer is simple, instead of the complicated rules that make the raggies all think they have right of way at all times. Tell them that they never have right of way and to piss off some where else. Simple.
 
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All I am saying is that I would not stand on.

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I don't recall anyone saying that they would stand on - only whether or not the X-boat could be judged to be the stand on vessel as per colregs from a single, limited in detail photo showing no reference to the context - so stating their opinion based on the assumption that it was outside the Cowes Harbour Fairway - and therefore "Open Water" as far as the ferry and Xboat are concerned.


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I dont really think this is even a sail/power issue.

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You have specifically stated that you believe all sail craft should not sail in any of the channels or fairways in the solent and should have their engines running so they can cross them .... continuing your personal grudge against sailboats (or another of your lovely windups to the sailboat owners!! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif )
 
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Tell them that they never have right of way and to piss off some where else.

[/ QUOTE ] No - you're thinking of mobos ......
 
Pretty sure nobody is suggesting you ramming a ferry....

Though if you do decide to do that make sure it's filmed, we could get more youtube hits than Susan Boyle with that clip!

Pretty sure you'll find most of the anger directed at you in Scuttlebutt is because you've prejudged the X-boat guilty.

If you'd listened to me, and several others, over there the biggest question is simply "we sail those waters, we have all experienced the Ferry giving way with no fuss all the way to the channel markers, why was this different?"

You don't have the answer to that, so your ramblings come over as a witch hunt.
And I think it's best to go witch hunting after taking off your own pointy hat.....
 
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You have specifically stated that you believe all sail craft should not sail in any of the channels or fairways in the solent and should have their engines running so they can cross them

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You will find that is already a requirement in many harbours around the world.

QHM advice which covers 65% of the solent also requires sailing boats to avoid commercial shipping channels.
 
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QHM advice which covers 65% of the solent also requires sailing boats to avoid commercial shipping channels.

[/ QUOTE ]No it doesn't ... it requires craft not to impede those who can only navigate within the channels/fairways and applies equally to mobos.
 
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QHM advice

[/ QUOTE ]No it doesn't ... it requires craft not to impede those who can only navigate within the channels/fairways and applies equally to mobos.

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QHM says

<span style="color:red">Avoid sailing in the commercial shipping channels, especially in poor visibility. Obey Rule 9 of the Collision Regulations(ColRegs) for conduct in narrow channels by keeping to the starboard side of the channel and crossing only when this does not impede the passage of a large vessel that can safely navigate only within the narrow channel.

Do not underestimate the speed of ships. If your boat is slow, allow sufficient time to take effective evasive action in the vicinity of large ships. </span>
 
This must be a wind up surely ?

Yesterday some twit pulled me up on my guess that an X boat would sail @ 35-40'

I was chastised as everyone apparently knows a sailing boat will sail between 30-50'.

50' being a square rigger no doubt !

Any plonker who sails under the bows of a ferry is hardly likely to be able to trim his x boat to manage 30' is he /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
http://www.qhmportsmouth.com/leisure/

Your quote comes from the general leisure page, it forms no part of the harbour regulations or the local notice to mariners and is targeted at the entrance channel to Portsmouth Harbour which is under control of QHM.

Just another of your twists ... come on - you can do better..
 
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This must be a wind up surely ?

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Quite ...

not sure where you're getting your 30 FEET ' from though ... I always thought it was measured in DEGREES °
 
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QHM covers this bit and his advice is to avoid sailing in the shipping channels.
 
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QHM covers this bit and his advice is to avoid sailing in the shipping channels

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I _know_ where QHM covers - however, there are specific rules for in and out of PORTSMOUTH HARBOUR - and it is ADVICE, not INSTRUCTION. - see if you can spot where it says portsmouth harbour in your picture .... might give you a clue as to where it is!
 
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[DEGREES °

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My key board has got a degree button so I used a ' instead , were you the twit /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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I _know_ where QHM covers - however, there are specific rules for in and out of PORTSMOUTH HARBOUR - and it is ADVICE, not INSTRUCTION. - see if you can spot where it says portsmouth harbour in your picture .... might give you a clue as to where it is!

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I always maintained that it was advice not instruction , please read again.

Now I believe you are mistaken in thinking the advice only applies to the inner harbour.

The same section specifically mentions osb and gilkicker point.
I am not local and I dont pretend to know the area as well as you do but I dont think that is in the harbour.

<span style="color:red">Keep your VHF R/T tuned to channel 11, when North of a line OSB to Gilkicker, to listen for vessel traffic information from QHM’s Harbour Control. In an emergency, if you believe you have not been seen or you re unsure of a ship’s intentions, call them on VHF Channels 11 or 16 then shift to a working frequency for intership safety messages. </span>
 
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You couldn't see where the wind was coming from from the photo .... so I guess that makes you the twonk /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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So - there you go then - only North from a line between OSB and Gilkicker.. that leaves the rest of the solent open for sailing ....
 
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You are right, I have seen the light.

Power gives way to sail.


as long as you have your sails up they will protect you like a personal angel, ships will not come anywhere near you and if they do just shout starboard at the captain.

I also now recognise that is where the skipper of this sailing boat went wrong, if he had his sails up he would have been safe as the ship would have passed to his stern or had a barrage of complaints from scuttleburks to deal with !
 
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You are right, I have seen the light.

Power gives way to sail.

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Yay!!!! so - when are you fitting a mast to your stinkpot then?!! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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I still own sail as well as Felix, I just dont get to use it that much as the family dont show any interest.
Strangely I can post on scuttlebutts using my sailing profile without rebukes , its just DAKA that gets picked on

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Cheers
Pete
 
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its just DAKA that gets picked on

[/ QUOTE ] I wonder why that is .... nothing to do with your signoff or (up to todays revelation) that sail should keep out of the way of power?? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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