Ferry Boat Inn , Felixstowe

[Charlie Boy]

The only pubs that can survive on drinks sales are freehouses. Brewerys seem to clean out leaseholders as fast as they can. I suspect they don't make money on brewing, just on taking savings from would be publicans

 

[shanemax]

A gallon of petrol, which has to be pumped out of the ground and then processed is £6.21
A gallon of beer from a Pub, which is hops, barley and water is £36
I know one tastes better than the other but what a total rip off.

 

[Bigplumbs]

A gallon of petrol, which has to be pumped out of the ground and then processed is £6.21
A gallon of beer from a Pub, which is hops, barley and water is £36
I know one tastes better than the other but what a total rip off.

I agree

 

[PeterWright]

Won’t be allowed to post drone videos any more. Linking to ones You Tube channel is strictly forbidden by the mods it seems. They have pulled me up several times. Any similar link here will I am sure be reported to ensure consistency

Hi BP,

That seems unreasonable to me at first sight, do the mods give any reason for prohibiting posting of drone videos? D they also prohibit posting of drone stills? I remember Jack Coote making much of the inclusion of aerial photos in a late 60s early 70s edition of East Coat Rivers, in those days taken from fixed wing aircraft aircraft at, I imagine, considerable cost. John's offerings on here have served the same purpose, with annual updates, free, to East Coast sailors. It seems to me quite wrong to put a stop to such a good public service.

While I have never found cause to use your videos for passage planning, I have found them interesting and entertaining, so I'm also sorry they have been brought to an end.

The only possible objection I can think of relates to intrusion of privacy, but general views of estuaries and harbours hardly amounts to that. To protect against that problem, it would seem better yo prohibit vids and stills which intrude on others' privacy, I struggle to think of any grounds for distinguish between videos and stills.

Peter.

 

[PeterWright]

Of course I realise that pubs can’t survive on beer sales alone these days. Pubs are closing at an alarming rate even in areas with large static populations like here in London. Fashions change. But some pubs manage to sell food which is of good quality and value and which still retain the character of a “proper” pub. I think the Butt and Oyster is one such, as are a couple of pubs in Woodbridge and
Orford. but it must be a grindingly hard and thankless task running a pub these days.

Hi Bromley,

It's interesting that you seem to have a soft spot for the Butt & Oyster, but apparently no time for the Maybush as both us form part of the 8 pub portfolio of Deben Inns so share the same management, headquartered at the Maybush.

I've known most of the pubs in the group for at least 60 years although I have not had a drink at the Maybush, the Westerfield Swan or the Woodbridge Kings Head since shortly pre Covid. I guess the Levington Ship is the one I'm most often found in these days , no,longer living in Suffolk but still with a boat berthed at Levington. I have not found the beer quality poor at any one, the food is not cordon blue in either taste or price, but I have never had cause to complain about what they serve and I find them friendly and interesting places to gather and chat with either old friends or new acquaintances.

Peter

 

[Bigplumbs]

Hi BP,

That seems unreasonable to me at first sight, do the mods give any reason for prohibiting posting of drone videos? D they also prohibit posting of drone stills? I remember Jack Coote making much of the inclusion of aerial photos in a late 60s early 70s edition of East Coat Rivers, in those days taken from fixed wing aircraft aircraft at, I imagine, considerable cost. John's offerings on here have served the same purpose, with annual updates, free, to East Coast sailors. It seems to me quite wrong to put a stop to such a good public service.

While I have never found cause to use your videos for passage planning, I have found them interesting and entertaining, so I'm also sorry they have been brought to an end.

The only possible objection I can think of relates to intrusion of privacy, but general views of estuaries and harbours hardly amounts to that. To protect against that problem, it would seem better yo prohibit vids and stills which intrude on others' privacy, I struggle to think of any grounds for distinguish between videos and stills.

Peter.

The rules are not about drone videos. At all. It is about posting a link to your own You Tube channel that is against the rules. It is about a perceived belief that you are pulling traffic off the forum to other platforms, hence reducing income to this forum. The video could be about anything The truth is however that any video over a few seconds is way to large to post here so 99% of people will post on you tube then a link here. This is not allowed and I have been pulled up for it several times. Several times for videos about particular boats or boaty toys etc. Makes little sense to me as it drives discussion which is the life blood of any forum.

In my view this forum like all forums is/are slowly dying so it seems strange the level of moderation that just drives people away

Still pics are ok.

 

[PeterWright]

Thaks for clarifying.

 

[Sailing steve]

It is about posting a link to your own You Tube channel that is against the rules. It is about a perceived belief that you are pulling traffic off the forum to other platforms, hence reducing income to this forum.

And of course anybody attempting to pull traffic off this forum toward their own site or channel benefits the person doing so by increasing their own income.

 

[dansaskip]

They have priced themselves out of the market. £4.50 - £5.00 for a pint is simply too much.

I am not sure that you can entirely blame the pubs for the price of beer. Rather blame successive governments who have always seemed to regard taxing alcohol as a cash cow.
It is reconned that a pub makes just 12p profit in a pint of beer, the govt takes cut for alcohol duty, about 21% and in addition take its cut in VAT of 20%

 

[MikeBz]

The rules are not about drone videos. At all. It is about posting a link to your own You Tube channel that is against the rules. It is about a perceived belief that you are pulling traffic off the forum to other platforms, hence reducing income to this forum.

A totally unfounded perception surely. Any link posted falls into that category. A forum where you cannot post links to articles or material which is of genuine interest to forum members is bordering on pointless.

Some YouTube channels are monetised based on the number of views, I wonder if it’s the prospect of some YouTubers just trying to up their hit rates by posting links everywhere that has driven it. Either way it’s us the forum members who lose out.

 

[Bigplumbs]

I am not sure that you can entirely blame the pubs for the price of beer. Rather blame successive governments who have always seemed to regard taxing alcohol as a cash cow.
It is reconned that a pub makes just 12p profit in a pint of beer, the govt takes cut for alcohol duty, about 21% and in addition take its cut in VAT of 20%

Well when I can buy it from the Supermarket at about 1/4the price of the pub I know what I am going to do.

 

[Bigplumbs]

And of course anybody attempting to pull traffic off this forum toward their own site or channel benefits the person doing so by increasing their own income.

Not always so. When I posted most of my links my You Tube Channel was not monetised. So I earned Zero. Also I am certain that video posted on here gets discussion going. Every single view and post on here earns the forum owners money. I don't think You tube posts pull people away at all to be honest.

My post was not however about that it was that if anyone posts links to their You Tube Channel they should of course be treated the same as all others.

Yes my Channel now earns me money but that is not why I do it.

If I were (and I have) to post a video of the Deben bar it would be to help people nowt to do with the few pence I might earn from the video.

I have spent well over £15,000 on camera equipment etc so I will not be making much profit an time soon

 

[Bigplumbs]

A totally unfounded perception surely. Any link posted falls into that category. A forum where you cannot post links to articles or material which is of genuine interest to forum members is bordering on pointless.

Some YouTube channels are monetised based on the number of views, I wonder if it’s the prospect of some YouTubers just trying to up their hit rates by posting links everywhere that has driven it. Either way it’s us the forum members who lose out.

I agree. I have recently made videos of how to fix certain issues on my Landrover Discovery 3 and countless fix's on many outboards (all on my channel) I have seen people ask about the very issue I have fixed and I will not post my fix here as I have bee banned at least 3 times for doing so

 

[shanemax]

I am not sure that you can entirely blame the pubs for the price of beer. Rather blame successive governments who have always seemed to regard taxing alcohol as a cash cow.
It is reconned that a pub makes just 12p profit in a pint of beer, the govt takes cut for alcohol duty, about 21% and in addition take its cut in VAT of 20%

So if I drink 10 pints (highly unlikely) the pub makes £1.20. so a hundred people drinking 10 pints the pub makes £120.
Thats alot of people drinking alot of beer. I suggest you check the whole sale price of a keg of beer and not believe the first piece of bullshit you find on line.

 

[PaulRainbow]

The sailing club i was in worked on a gross margin of about 30%, selling beer at £2.50 a pint.

 

[johnalison]

So if I drink 10 pints (highly unlikely) the pub makes £1.20. so a hundred people drinking 10 pints the pub makes £120.
Thats alot of people drinking alot of beer. I suggest you check the whole sale price of a keg of beer and not believe the first piece of bullshit you find on line.

I suspect that there is a difference between the cut that the pub takes and what will be recorded as profit, so maybe the 12p is close to the mark, though as will be obvious I have no more knowledge of economics than a squirrel.

 

[AntarcticPilot]

The sailing club i was in worked on a gross margin of about 30%, selling beer at £2.50 a pint.

But were the bar staff volunteers or paid? In a pub you're paying staff overheads, but a club might avoid the salary associated costs (it would still have to carry insurance).

 

[Leighb]

A club is also not paying the, often enormous, rental for the lease. Pubs have huge overheads as well as staff costs which will be much less in a club. A pub however may be able to buy the kegs of beer somewhat cheaper depending on the relationship with the brewery.
One of my sons worked in a number of pubs when he has a student including quite a spell at Wetherspoons. He said they bought their beer, lager anyway, very cheap as it was within 24 hours of the Use By date. With their turnover they could rely on selling it in time and thus sell it cheaper than other outlets.

 

[PaulRainbow]

Yes, pubs have more overheads than some clubs, mine was run by volunteers. But, i still can't see where they work on 12p a pint. Where does that figure come from ?

 

[Poignard]

"The average price of a pint of draught lager in the UK was £4.47 in September, according to the Office for National Statistics, but the British Beer and Pub Association recently revealed that landlords make 12p profit per pint."

'This catastrophic Budget will push up the price of a pint'

"David McDowall, boss of Stonegate Group, whose pubs include Slug & Lettuce, Yates's and Walkabout, said thousands of landlords currently make just 12p of profit for every pint of beer they sell."

Pubs face closure without Budget help, says industry giant


The landlord of my local is always very welcoming, despite him making less than a pound from each of my visits.