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Just seen the Ferretti 470 article in MBY. Is it just me or does anyone else find the following;

The vast cabin side windows, I feel are taking "big light spreading windows" a bit too far at the price of naf aesthetics. Princess manage lots of light on the 54 without this great ugly shape at the side by being stylish.

Almost vertical ladder to the fly? whats wrong wiv a staircase.

You can see from the double page on the water planning shot, that the radar height looks a real head zapper.

Inner helm with vertical wheel looks a bit old fashioned.

Oh a plus point galley aft near cockpit good idea.
 
Yep, agreed. The windows look good on the 630 in my opinion, but a bit awkward on all the smaller boats. You get loads more light in pretty much any flybridge saloon than you do in your average lounge at home, so I don't think getting more light in is really top priority.
 
hmm i was on the 510 and 630 and I must admit the light and the view you have from the winbows is really natural, I like it really, you feel it most at anchor in being outside without being outside, I dont think any other design manages this
now if you like its shape or not outside that is another thing...

for the ladder that is a Ferretti trademark, have been so since the 80s so I dont think they wanna change it, they it also to have massive deck space outside
I can tell that for each Ferretti I have been on the aft deck space usually comparres with a boat minimum 5 feet bigger
with the competition, the old 460 prior to this had an aft deck as bigger then AZ55, or Fl 55 Squadron Mk.1

the galley is clever but now Ferretti been doing this for 3 years really, same for the window introduced in 2006
I think Ferretti are trynig new design with the windows other then going for the 2 window shapes hell its not bad to be different really, in the end they could not go any further with the other design
there old shapes 460, 53, 550 and 590 still look great
the market will say if this is good enough as the 460 sold over 90 in 4 years of production, there second most delivered model after the 53/530 which sold 100+
 
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for the ladder that is a Ferretti trademark, have been so since the 80s so I dont think they wanna change it

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doesn't mean it's not crap


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I think Ferretti are trynig new design with the windows other then going for the 2 window shapes hell its not bad to be different really

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Birchwoods look different


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i was on the 510 and 630 and I must admit the light and the view you have from the winbows is really natural..... I like it really...... there old shapes 460, 53, 550 and 590 still look great

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Agree with you, Clive. I'm a Ferretti fan but I don't like the design direction they have taken in recent years. The vertical flybridge steps from the cockpit are a hangover from the previous designs which always had internal steps to the flybridge as well. They've ditched the internal steps on the new designs but kept the vertical steps in the cockpit. In their defence, having an 'open' staircase does make the cockpit and the saloon feel more like one space especially with Ferreti's trademark opening window between saloon and cockpit. I think they've gone too far with the saloon side windows though which look out of proportion on the smaller boats and IMHO, are not very practical on a Med boat. I dunno about anyone else but we always keep the saloon window curtains closed during the summer to help keep the saloon cooler and stop the woodwork getting bleached so having huge saloon windows is a bit pointless.
The radar arch works though. The arch on my boat is similarly low and yet the radar works fine and doesn't seem to have any blind spots despite being so low. Ferretti work hard to keep the CoG of their boats as low as possible (which is one reason why they have a Cat A RCD rating) and the low radar arch helps with this and IMHO looks better anyway
Yup, the new galley position next to the cockpit is good, certainly much better than the latest Princess designs on the P50 and P54 with the galley way forward downstairs
 
'open' staircase does make the cockpit and the saloon feel more like one space

Hi Mike hmm "open" staircase is very polite for "ladder" My mid nineties Princess has an "open staircase", which whilst not intruding into the cockpit as much as a staircase does take up some room, as it has to be angled out at the bottom. Indeed its got enough space behind to put one an 8 man lift raft.

Besides when guests are being entertained int cockpit more often than not the staircase on our Sealine gets used as a seat anyway.

Good point about the saloon windows, I was just going on about the naf aesthetics, but your point re the necessity to draw curtains in the med is very valid. We even do it at anchor on charters to try to keep the saloon cooler. Yup those huge windows will have curtains across ost of the day and of course all night if your onboard else all can see you naked.

Re the radar, wasnt talking about blind spot, I refered to being aimed at the back of yer head.
 
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for the ladder that is a Ferretti trademark, have been so since the 80s so I dont think they wanna change it

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I think Ferretti are trynig new design with the windows other then going for the 2 window shapes hell its not bad to be different really

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Birchwoods look different
yeah but there new design looks good, the 630 is awesome really, 510 and 592 look good too not as good as the 630 though
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i was on the 510 and 630 and I must admit the light and the view you have from the winbows is really natural..... I like it really...... there old shapes 460, 53, 550 and 590 still look great

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Are they made in Italy by any chance? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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hahah yeah but its not about that really, its about apples for apples and oranges for oranges, lately if you want to know I am more into Custom US stuff but thats me
what I always liked about Ferretti is that they always sort off went against the competition, to build a different size in there proportion, hey in fact they are not so commercial and fashion orientated as other builders, this is good for the industry really
 
As I say, a vertical cockpit ladder is OK with me providing there are a second set of internal steps to the flybridge. We tend always to use the internal steps on our boat so the vertical cockpit ladder is a bonus. Obviously, a proper staircase from the cockpit is more convenient but they do take up a lot of cockpit space and block light from the saloon
I know you weren't referring to the radar blind spot. I was just making a point. Actually I dont think it makes a lot of difference if the radar is mounted higher in terms of the amount of microwave energy zapping the back of your head because a radar sends out a fairly diffused beam
 
The thing I like about the moulded staircase in the cockpit is the big storage locker you get under it, which is so much easier to access than a lazarette under a floor hatch. I've never run out of space for people in the cockpit, but am forever running out of space to store stuff. I agree it blocks some light, but with windows on all four sides, light generally isn't a problem.

To have a flybridge with a loft ladder as the ONLY means of access is barmy, it makes the fly seem far more detached from the rest of the boat.
 
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To have a flybridge with a loft ladder as the ONLY means of access is barmy, it makes the fly seem far more detached from the rest of the boat.

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Precisely and that is the mistake that Ferretti is making on it's smaller models now by retaining the 'loft ladder' and deleting the internal stairs. It seems to be a purely style driven thing. I spoke to a Ferretti chap at a recent exhibition and the designers apparently think that internal steps clutter up the saloon and solid cockpit stairs block out the light. Stylists 2 Engineers 0
 
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To have a flybridge with a loft ladder as the ONLY means of access is barmy, it makes the fly seem far more detached from the rest of the boat.

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Precisely and that is the mistake that Ferretti is making on it's smaller models now by retaining the 'loft ladder' and deleting the internal stairs. It seems to be a purely style driven thing. I spoke to a Ferretti chap at a recent exhibition and the designers apparently think that internal steps clutter up the saloon and solid cockpit stairs block out the light. Stylists 2 Engineers 0

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yeah but they are not alone in this really, not much boats under 60 feet with the internal stair case today, but I think this guy did not tell you the full truth as 510 now is coming with the internal stair case as optional, and this might be as standard soon
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but I think this guy did not tell you the full truth as 510 now is coming with the internal stair case as optional, and this might be as standard soon


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Yup, that is correct but instead of the internal steps on the 510 being forward next to the helm where they would be most useful, they're actually at the aft end of the saloon which means that the boat then has 2 sets of flybridge steps within about 2 metres of each other. Stupid IMHO
 
yep
I would not be surprised if Ferretti will make only an internal staircase in its future models
1) to have more deck space
2) I think it is very clever for this size too
now some people might not agree with this, but I see it the way to go
 
Having not been on either, I'd take an Azimut 47 over the Ferretti 470, even if they were the same price!

How do you get up the 470 ladder with a tray of drinks? I also don't like the flybridge layout.
 
Lots of question marks there!

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You don't think that's a lot for a 48 footer with a normal beam (not beamy by my perception of Ferretti norms)?

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Before Sterling crashed against the Euro, new Ferrettis were about 15-20% more expensive than equivalent Brit boats. With Sterling now worth 25% less, it means Ferrettis are now 40-45% more expensive which is plain silly. Nobody in their right mind spending Sterling would buy a new Ferretti at anywhere near list price. A secondhand one is still a good buy though at the right price
 
Ferretti are starting a Network Q type approved used boat scheme, where they check 'em over at the factory before they're sold. My guess, but no more than a guess, is that they're trying to protect the used values of their boats, so the perceived depreciation is less. It could just be that they can't sell any new boats however.

I agree used Ferretti's can be good value, but I think they have to be a few years old now. Newer boats are advertised at anything up to twice the price of an equivalent sized UK boat.
 
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Ferretti are starting a Network Q type approved used boat scheme, where they check 'em over at the factory before they're sold. My guess, but no more than a guess, is that they're trying to protect the used values of their boats, so the perceived depreciation is less

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Could be they're trying to tempt disappearing new boat buyers with factory fresh used boats at a better price but it's probably as much to do with keeping some of their factory workers busy as anything else. Could also be that their dealers have been forced to take in more p/x's to stimulate new sales and the factory is trying to help them out. I can't see anyone paying over the odds for a tarted up used Ferretti, though, when there are so many good boats on the normal used market. I was in Majorca at the weekend and Elegance are doing something similar thru their main dealer, Drettman, by offering refitted used Elegances at inflated prices
It's always the same with refitted boats. They don't get their money back when the owner sells them on
 
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