Ferretti 1000

[Portofino]

After the PY x80 thread , right on q this came out a few days ago .

Looks a winner on so many levels .I know its bigger but it carries the “ wide body “ and extra sq M of deck spaces very well .

 

[petem]

Proof that you can build a spacious boat without it being ugly or looking like it's going to topple over.

 

[hinch]

Allow me to answer in the same style as you would against anything not italian.

Its horrible.
Its impractical,
Its out of date styled.
Its poor quality angular interiors.
Its got irrelevant design queues that make it look like something from the 80's.
At 9 million euros you could buy 2x X80's in comparison.
You're comparing apples to oranges.
blah blah blah blah


Am i doing it right ?

 

[Portofino]

Proof that you can build a spacious boat without it being ugly or looking like it's going to topple over.

Agree - Yes after the marketing wows of establishing the 1000 “ wide body “ concept it will be interesting to see if they bring it down to around an 80 or further ?

 

[paradave]

Allow me to answer in the same style as you would against anything not italian.

Its horrible.
Its impractical,
Its out of date styled.
Its poor quality angular interiors.
Its got irrelevant design queues that make it look like something from the 80's.
At 9 million euros you could buy 2x X80's in comparison.
You're comparing apples to oranges.
blah blah blah blah


Am i doing it right ?

Play the ball, not the man

 

[Portofino]

Allow me to answer in the same style as you would against anything not italian.

Its horrible.
Its impractical,
Its out of date styled.
Its poor quality angular interiors.
Its got irrelevant design queues that make it look like something from the 80's.
At 9 million euros you could buy 2x X80's in comparison.
You're comparing apples to oranges.
blah blah blah blah


Am i doing it right ?

Nope .

But the x 80 is a Pininfarina design I told you so in the other thread .
Thats Italian designed too .
Now how does that make you look ?

If you read the thread and understood PYB already infered other Pininfarina iterations of boats have been ….how can I say it challenging looks wise like the x80 .
Take a look at the this Pininfarina primatist G53 .There are quite a few in my marina in fact one almost opposite so I know them well .


Take my word for it the pic flatter it .
On a practical nature you can’t sit on the bathing platform and dip your feet in .It too high .
Theres no outside table to eat on …..Yeh look again .
All Italian .
This contradicts your supposition you have of me “ all things Italian “ are better .

Give me a UK S. Skr Porto 53 or Fairline targa gt 53 ( Mancini designed ) any day.
For The looks AND practically at this level .

 

[hinch]

Pininfarina that amazing indian owned design company....

tbh i actually quite like it but its a completely different boat with a completely different market to the x80 you can't even compare them despite you trying in vain to do so you just clutch at straws to push your anti-non-italian boat agenda instead of being sensible about your comments. i just copy and pasted every complaint you ever make about any boat not from an italian yard.

if you really want to be fussy ferretti steering wheels are vile

 

[markc]

if you really want to be fussy ferretti steering wheels are vile

I like mine.

 

[Portofino]

Pininfarina that amazing indian owned design company....

tbh i actually quite like it but its a completely different boat with a completely different market to the x80 you can't even compare them despite you trying in vain to do so you just clutch at straws to push your anti-non-italian boat agenda .

Arh I don’t see many Chinese at Sunseeker or the huge Ferretti manufacturing complexes dotted around Italy .
Whats your point re Pininfarina. The work the design is done by Italians .
Plymouths not swamped with the French .I think you find the shop floor is occupied by hairy arsed Brit workers .It’s only the design bit of the X80 was penned by Italians .

Having said that there are a few German kids at the schools in Crewe and Goodwood region .

Heard of face time / CAD / emails .Pininfarina would have done the work from Turin or where ever .Not India .
So I may not like the x80 PY boat visually at first pass ( not withstanding a real look ) on H s x 80 thread but 9/10 of the comments were the same . This is before we delved deeper into tender storage .

The P53 illustration was merely to show you I do not as you suggest big up everything Italian .
I have already illustrated two flaws for that size .The bathing P height and lack of open air table .
It was not a comparison with the PY x80 .Blimey !

This F 1000 is new it a dir of travel .Ok different size point I made that clear and ventured further after the initial halo effect they might go lower in size .Who knows .
But the uses of space is faultless for Med use imho .
I like the twin tender garage concealed 1/2 below the hilo and 1/2 under the chise longue .
As Bulleri said “ so you can sit with an uninterrupted view “ ie no boat or tender stuck on the hilo .

Wether that design ( Italian btw ) can be shrunk down to 80 ft who knows .


Steering wheel .Dare say at this level you can have any bespoke wheel .

Like Marc I rather like the F design touch in the earlier Feretti .

Btw what do think on the letter logo theme of this ? Sorry folks it’s part of his free therapy



It’s a bit like braking in a horse replying to Hinch.
We will try get him to like Italian boats with there logo wheels .?

Edit turn the wheel round by about 170 * anti-clockwise .Then look at my Avitar .

 

[hinch]

We will try get him to like Italian boats with there logo wheels .?

Edit turn the wheel round by about 170 * anti-clockwise .Then look at my Avitar .

whilst 90% of your post makes zero sense i can safely answer that I didn't get as far as considering the wheel in the picture because the design of the rest of the boat is so god damn awful.

 

[markc]

whilst 90% of your post makes zero sense i can safely answer that I didn't get as far as considering the wheel in the picture because the design of the rest of the boat is so god damn awful.

Easy tiger

 

[MapisM]

Allow me to answer in the same style as you would against anything not italian.

Actually, PF is usually critic towards anything but Itamas.
The fact that they are made in Italy is just incidental, in this respect.
In fact, he also used to own a Sunseeker for instance, and also a Bentley, as I recall.

Regardless, you now seem to be on a mission to criticize not only PF himself, but also to insult anything Italian, with terms like "vile".
Now, I already sussed in the X80 thread your attempt, frankly a bit childish, to make your viewpoint stronger by declaring to be Italian yourself.
In your boots, I'd rather not expose further your own penis envy with comments that tell much more about yourself, rather than about Italy or anything Italian.

With apologies to paradave, whose suggestion was absolutely correct.
And I declare myself guilty as charged in advance, for this post of mine that is along the same lines that he correctly criticized.
But I am used to call a spade a spade.

 

[hinch]

so what you're saying is its fine for him to spout the same crap in every single thread he posts in but as soon as anyone copy and pastes the same responses the other way around its a big no no.
its ok PF himself has not only insulted others in various threads but also all british boat builders the 100% reverse however is a big no no in your eyes. interesting.

If you don't like my word usage of vile (personal opinion as requested) and consider my response to a steering wheel to be a personal attack then you have some serious insecurities you probably need to work on. if porto didn't want our / my opinion on a yacht he posted then he shouldn't have posted a thread soliciting our opinion. its not rocket science.

thankfully you are not in my boots and i'm not in yours i'd hate to be so jaded i couldn't accept an opinion and felt so insecure about my own views i had to spout them in every thread.

 

[MapisM]

I know I'm not in your boots, mine was just a suggestion, nothing else.
Which obviously you didn't appreciate - assuming you understood it, which I suspect you didn't.

Anyway, you now seem aware to have "spouted crap", since you even explain to have done that for emulation reasons.
Which is more than enough for me to refrain from suggesting anything else.

I'd just be grateful if you could refrain from pretending again to be Italian, because that's way more shameful than spouting crap on steering wheels.
As a side product, that would help me working on my insecurities, you know.

 

[ST840]

@hinch and @MapisM

Get a room FFS.

 

[petem]

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Fair play Porto, that's one ugly helm. Looks like the designers did some work on the exterior then all went home.

 

[julians]

Fair play Porto, that's one ugly helm. Looks like the designers did some work on the exterior then all went home.

The helm on the new 45 is a bit better, but still not entirely to my taste. but its not a big deal , looks functional enough - apart from the white rimmed steering wheel, thats going to look manky in no time - presume it can be specified to be a darker colour.

The pods for the gauges above the central plotter look like they were taken from a modified nissan gtr or subaru impreza.

The large box where the central plotter is is also a bit clumsy and looks like it was design to hold a cathode ray tube type display rather than a modern LCD flatscreen. I think they could have done it so much better.

Helms are one area that I think can date a boat significantly - look at most helms from the 90's/2000s compared to now and they do look pretty old.

 

[petem]

The helm on the new 45 is a bit better, but still not entirely to my taste. but its not a big deal , looks functional enough - apart from the white rimmed steering wheel, thats going to look manky in no time - presume it can be specified to be a darker colour.

Helms are one area that I think can date a boat significantly - look at most helms from the 90's/2000s compared to now and they do look pretty old.

Interesting. Exposed screws on the 'button panel' look a bit crappy. I like the big MFD in the middle but some of the gauges on the right are going to be pretty hard to read.

Builders do seem to find it hard to make something that is functional and attractive.

 

[Portofino]

Julian’s latest pic is an evolution from the noughties .Engine data like cars all glass theses days .
They went from mine to carbon black circa 2004 ish and the then MAN screen the next version + electronic throttles .
Got rid of the Morse .
Good point about the box for the raymarine.Supose simply to mount it upright for anti glare ?
Thing is , as old 90 retro my boats helm does work very well It’s plotter actually works in full sun you can see it .
I know of lot of modern screens suffer from glare as does your I phone and I pad .
What ever Lorenz use for screens in there “ panoramic sun “ range obviously hasn’t caught on .


I also have analogue gauges for the important engine stuff as well as the digital stuff repeated on the LCD screens .
Agree with the latest wheel if thats std fit ,sure you could spec wood, like this ^^^ I guess that’s a owners personal choice.

Had the boat coming up to 6 seasons now .Like everyone else I guess went through a update phase .Indeed started to scope out plotters and re work the dash because new are bigger .I use paper charts as well always have they sit on companion way door top under a screen .Mainly to point with the mk 1 finger at stuff for guests “ look we are here and heading to this bay “ thst kinda stuff .Large island hoping too to take a bearing from the compass or plotter and basically in a reassuringly way know you are gonna hit the thing the island , roughly we’re you want to be .
Then when in the CdA I basically got to know it very well so a new today’s bells n whistles plotter would not bring anything to the party on top of what’s between by ears .
So once like many I would take a bee line to the tech stands at shows I seem to have lost interest .

Then couple the above with the bulging classic car scene .OEM and originality are king .
You see one min I,am advising guys newbies to classic cars where to get the OEM cloth covered crank breather pipe , the correct copiglia binding s ( instead of jubilee clips ) , or the correct airbox nuts etc etc .Attention to detail starts to matter as rarity and values rise . Folks return them to OEM .Even tyre manufacturers make tyres of the modern rubber compounds but to look like 60 +70 s patterns well Michelin and Pirelli do .

Now I know generally boating is a world apart from the classic car scene and the levers are all latest kit keep up etc .Stuff like fwd facing sonar etc etc because you can .But in my particular niche very niche little corner of the boaty scene retro and keeping it OEM pulls more weight .
So this last 18-24 months desire to update has diminished and the acceptance of the retro hold it all in period has increased .

The latest LCD screens those from MAN the 12 s are unreliable Eg .
I like analog gauges as like an aircraft the white needles should be vertical at a eye scan .
I like a big fat compass in your sight line ..l.whats happened to that the compass where’s it gone in Julian’s pic .
I like the simplicity of Morse throttles .Remember I came from Volvo EDC . It’s no hassle really Infact a skill to manually nudge the sticks to within 6-8 rpm of each other as opposed to press “ sync “ …..because you can with EDC .
I,am in no rush to stuff the boat with more electrotwackery I know i am swimming against the forum current on this .
Exposed screws mean it’s easy to open up .I would want them all aligned though.

Dont get me wrong what I have is well maintained this ain’t gonna happen .

But you don’t need much to have fun ?.

 

[julians]

I,am in no rush to stuff the boat with more electrotwackery I know i am swimming against the forum current on this

I think you're right to keep it original, you've got everything you might need already. Anything else would just be spending for the sake of gadgets rather than a noticeable improvement.

One question though, do they ever put radars on itamas,and if so where do they mount the scanner?

I know for your usage you'd never need one, it's the same for me,so it's pointless,just wondering.