February WNS

TonyJones

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The purpose of What Now Skip is to give forum members the opportunity of learning from each other's experiences and opinions. To that end, awkward boating scenarios are presented for forum members to discuss. WNS is not a test with replies measured against predetermined ‘correct’ answer. In fact, in most cases, their usually more than just one solution to the posed scenario. Selected posts will appear in the next issue of the magazine along with the author’s preferred solution.
However, please read the scenario carefully as some of the information given may imply certain possibilities or restrictions on possible courses of action – without spelling them out specifically.
The author always tries to describe the situation as fully as possible but ambiguities sometimes arise. If you are unclear as to any particular aspect or require clarification of an issue – just ask.

Scenario
You are enjoying a brisk cruise up a wide Highland sea loch in your 37ft twin-engined sports cruiser. It’s early in the season and not many boats are about. The wind is about F3/F4, the weather bright and sunny but it is distinctly chilly. But you and your mate – who is a competent boat handler in their own right - are having a thoroughly good time.
You notice a 30ft modern sailing yacht standing in very close to the cliffs on your starboard side and reckon he is cutting it a bit fine. The yacht goes about but fails to come through the wind and ends up in stays (head to wind) with both sails flapping. After a minute or so you become concerned and through your binoculars notice someone in the cockpit waving frantically.
You motor over to find that the helmsman has been hit on the head by the boom while the yacht was going about (tacking) and is lying unconscious on the cockpit floor with his head wedged in the corner at a funny angle. The crew person is in a bit of a panic, not making much sense and obviously incapable of actually sailing the yacht away from the cliffs or even starting its engine. (You notice that there are no keys in the ignition). The water is deep right up to the foot of the sheer granite cliff which is now only about 100m away. If nothing is done in the next few minutes the yacht will be dashed against its foot and recovery will be well nigh impossible.
While you have been talking to the crew your mate has contacted the coastguard who say they are sending a chopper as the lifeboat is engaged on another shout. It should be with you in about 15 minutes. You have sailed dinghies in the past and reckon that if you went aboard you could probably get the yacht underway, leaving your own boat in the capable hands of your mate. But would that be the right thing to do? And what about first aid for the casualty?
What now Skip?
 
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But would that be the right thing to do?

[/ QUOTE ]Yes. Bringing a tow line with you, just in case.
 
Get a tow aboard and get away from the cliff. You can then take time to sort everything else out., like getting sails down etc.

Don't move the casualty. From the description he may have a bloken neck. You could do more harm than good.
 
Forget about sailing the boat. If a chopper is coming you need to get the boat away from the cliff - by using a tow - and get the sails down. The sailing crew member should be able to manage that. The chopper crew prefer a boat to be moving with the wind just off the bow. That leaves you the skipper of the yacht to deal with.
Go to basic first aid. A,B,C. If the guy is not breathing you can move him. He'll be dead within a few minutes if you don't - so he won't sue you for futher damage to his health. Then go for the 30 pumps and two breaths. If he is breathing, check for bleeding. If no blood and he is breathing OK it is probably best to leave him where he is. Wait for the chopper to arrive with all the medical kit. Just keep him warm.
If the booze cabinet is open help yourself, but don't give anybody else a drink.

All IMHO.
 
yup I,d board the yacht or my mate would. Sail it away from cliff, then autopilot. Sort out casualty. You dont give enough medical info. He might need the chest pressure and mouth to mouth. Ideally get his accomplice to do this or at least help me do it. Beware broken neck of course but he still might need the resussitation routine - broken neck is NOT a reason not to do that

If can find engine keys then start engine so it,s ready but this is a low priority task

When chopper arrives heel boat and sail it on a/pilot as directed by helo crew

Yacht is "in irons" not "in stays" i think?
 
depending on how close to the cliff, either sail yacht away, or tow it away,whichever looks quicker and more practical, given the time left before hitting the cliff base.(Do you know which ropes run what?) Give the yacht crew something to do/concentrate on before they become the next problem. As its so cold, chuck a rug over injured person, and radio CG for medical advice, unless you are confident in your own medical expertise. Ask CG how to prepare the yacht for helicopter arrival.
15 mins will probably go very quickly.
 
go alongside tie off, ensure skipper is alive and breathing ok, if not, start to panic in sympathy with crew member /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif, try to resuscitate him/her wind force 3-4 you say but no mention of sea state, if not really lumpy use my boat to put yacht out of harms way, whilst under way drop washing down, get panicky crew member to work, so he's/she's busy, prepare for SR aircraft's immanent arrival, do what they tell you.get ready for interviews and TV appearances, hero saves stricken yacht in wild storm force seas and lives to tell the tale. and doesn't mind a little recognition for interrupting his day out on a jolly /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
A couple of things are worrying me here...

1) 'my mate' - a competent boat handler ... no mention in what kind of boat ... is sail... he'll be in charge of the one with pointy-sticky-up thingie... as he'll know how to get the sheets down better than me.... and as such engage 'distressed crew member'.... If MOBO only ...it depends on my actual experience ... but perfectly capable of taking control ... so let's assume the latter....

2) '30 ft modern yacht' ... and being hit with a boom .. he needs to have been tall, or standing on locker I'd guess ... or a racing yacht ...to be hit that badly.. Anyway... he's hit..... and I accept that...

From 1 above ;

a) I'd enter the yacht (after agreeing with'mate' to start towing and ensure we have a protocol for communication and for him to ensure receipt of instructions on how to prepare the boat's to be ready for arrival of chopper), with tow rope. Quickly assess ' distressed crewmember's' state ofmind and assess if competent to take instructions ... I we assume OK, instruct 'distressed crew memeber' to tie tow rope up to bow and prepare for tow.... and come back to injured when made fast.

b) Check injured and apply appropriate first aid (your own experience... or distressed crewmember may determine that,.... do seek advise from Coastguard if required... after locating the VHF of course).... obtain help from 'distressed crew member' as appropriate. (avoid moving if at all possible and ensure that he is covered to reduce heat loss).

c) Check with 'mate' to of what to do to prepare yacht for chopper arrival and seek help from 'distressed crew member', if injured is stable and do not require constant attention.... if not you take actions, instruct crew member as appropriate....to take sails down etc...

d) keep communication channels open and keep everyone informed about injured, vessel status etc.... Your concern should now be with injured and prepare for arrival of the pro's ... you'r mate should be taking helming instructions etc. from coastguard ... and you should listen.

e) Now if patient is stable ... you should start to look into the potentially un-stable crew member ... who may be in shock ...if injured is not stable... you will have to be aware that crew member's actions from now on may not be rational and as such you may need to seek additional advise.

f) Prepare for chopper arrival and run through procedures in your mind ... ensure crewmember is informed about what is to take place ... and do keep an eye on 'the distressed crew member' ... that line is not to grab before it has hit the water first...
 
Must be the easiest WNS so far and fairly straight forwards.

Drop mate off on yacht with a tow rope. Start towing yacht slowly into the wind and off shore. Tell CG what your doing. Mate gets sais down if he can, if not no bother. Mate has a look at helmsman when the situation has been stabalised. No idea lf his compitance or training, so cant comment. Anyway one of them steers and follows mobo.

Copter arrive he now has the choice to drop down on mobo or yacht. Lets say, they have not managed to drop sails, for what ever reason. So copter person drops on mobo maybe. then you easily transfer him to yacht, then again take up the slow tow into the wind, just to keep things stable.

Copter guy then takes over and maybe lifts helmsman off, maybe staying on the boat after casualty has been dispatched.

Either way, you got the boat out of danger and have given a few options for rescue. Plus the folk on the yacht can do what ever they need to, without the bother of sailing, except maybe steering a bit.

Even concider tieing yacht alonside, if calm enough, then theres even more options and far better comunication.
 
A couple of further thoughts:

It's a cold day with a biting wind so extra care to keep the casualty warm

Need to get well away from the cliff to accommodate the arrival of the helicopter.
 
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A couple of things are worrying me here...

1) 'my mate' - a competent boat handler ... no mention in what kind of boat ... is sail... he'll be in charge of the one with pointy-sticky-up thingie... as he'll know how to get the sheets down better than me.... and as such engage 'distressed crew member'.... If MOBO only ...it depends on my actual experience ... but perfectly capable of taking control ... so let's assume the latter....

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Good point. I should have specified that your mate is a competent motor boat handler. You are the one with sailing experience.

Best wishes
TJ
 
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Must be the easiest WNS so far and fairly straight forwards

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Hi hlb

Banter mode <ON>

Well, people seemed to have so much trouble with the more complicated ones. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Best wishes
TJ
 
The only real question seems to be whether to sail the boat away, or tow it away with your boat. The answer is of course obvious, as only one of the options involves ropes /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
My assessment for what it is worth having spent a bit of time in the lochs

The yacht is head to wind, not going anywhere and as the loch side is a cliff they are just like quay sides except the chopper can not get near the yacht.

Send my crew to lower sails and drop fenders

then motor away to clear water ready to accept chopper crew on my boat.

Then ferry chopper crew to yacht to recover casualty to my boat , into clear water and into chopper.

Now I can think about putting a line on the yacht to tow it to safety.


I have rescued a sailing dinghy and towed it while the sails were up, it turned turtle.
 
It's a saily boat not under control. Before going anywhere near it I'd get "mate" on the bows to keep a very close look out for rope in the water.

The lifeboat's not available and we're talking about a 30' yacht with a casualty with a very high chance of spinal injuries. There's a good chance the chopper will want to transfer the casualty to your presumably more open and suitable Mobo for the lift, especially as he has an excellent chance on landing on the casualty as he drops on into the yacht.

I'd go in bows first, mate on the bows watching carefully for rope and talking to the "agitated" crew member to make sure he/she doesn't do any more damage than has already happened. If possible (not sure of the wind direction or how confident the MoBo helm is, access from bows, etc.) I'd get mate on board from bows of MoBo to bows of yacht with a line from your bows and get him to make it to the yacht's bows. Get him to double check it's run cleanly through fairleads, under pulpits, etc. and pull the yacht clear and into wind by going astern. Lots of assumption about how the boats are lying, etc though.

Mate gets aft and then carries out first aid on casualty - if he's breathing and has a reasonably steady pulse then make sure the casualty can't move. If he has a broken neck and slips down further into the cockpit it could be fatal.

If his airway is blocked you will have to try and clear it without moving his head - very difficult. If he isn't breathing or has no pulse you can only go for broke and hope his neck's okay. Trying CPR when the casualty isn't laid flat with a clear airway isn't an option and really mouth to mouth isn't either.

You've been pulled clear and into wind (actually better 30/40 degrees offit to keep the boom and sails clear of the cockpit) so you should be in reasonably clear water now so, as soon as you are sure the casualty is as secure as possible, get the sails down and prepare for an alongside tow.

At the earliest stage possible the MoBo should establish contact with the chopper (under Coastguard control obviously) and should give the Coastguard more detailed SitReps, advising as to progress. It should be upgraded to a Mayday as well. If the MoBO helm can prepare your MoBo for the winch so much the better.

The crew member on the yacht should be watched carefully, he/she could go into shock (if they aren't already) at any stage. They should be talked to constantly and, unless you're pretty certain first impressions were wrong and they are to be trusted within their limits, they should only be given none critical things to do. In fact it's better if they are but don't let them out of your sight - e.g. sending them below to look for something isn't really advisable.

You've got 15 minutes to do this so you'll probably only be half way through before the Chopper arrives anyway, at which point you;ll be told what to do..
 
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Yacht is "in irons" not "in stays" i think?

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I've phoned around some yotty instructor types and the consensus of opinion is that both mean head to wind with the sails flapping, but 'in irons' implies stuck in that situation while 'in stays' means in that situation deliberately and temporarily.

So as the boat we are talking about is stuck - you are dead right.

Best wishes
Tony
 
IT'S A WRAP

Thank you everyone for a bunch of excellent suggestions - particularly those who adopted the 'If A then B; if C then D' approach - for example as to the casualty's exact state when you've had a look at him/her.

I like the idea of either taking the yacht alongside so that the rescue winchman can come aboard you own boat, or alternatively taking him aboard and then ferrying him over to the yacht. This means he doesn't have to negotiate the yacht's standing rigging.

Personally, I would go for the 'tow away' option if for no other reason than - as Nick_H points out - it involves playing with ropes!

Best wishes
TJ
 
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