powerskipper
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Slow and steady , gives you time to think.
fast and clueless
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Dave_Snelson
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Interestingly, my 13 year old son taught me ferry gliding. He was taught it on his PB2, and curiously, I was not??
And isn't it good that we can all learn something from someone /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
And isn't it good that we can all learn something from someone /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
ghost
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sorry baby i disagree, what you are describing is what i kept witnessing in poole, not one skipper thought it prudent to hold off, get lines and fenders ready and come in backwards, hook one line on and spring the boat in, be a mellow fellow. without exception all came in hard and then - quite stressfully- 'enthusiasticly urged' their crew to get that bloody rope on- QUICK, all real stressfull just when you need to think and be relaxed. taking a couple of five gallon containers on a folding grapnel and warp into a safe area and practice getting the boat to them at under 1/4 knot from all angles, it would at least give you something to do he he
ShipsWoofy
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I still mess my moorings up though
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Not that difficult to mess up on a river with sluice gates allowing the run off from Snowdon through whenever they damn well please and a harbour master who 'prefers' that the boats all face upstream on the trots.
A big spring tide can make stopping with the current interesting, especially on a cat where you get weird eddies running between the hulls. We got quite used to aborted runs on the Glasslyn. On some tides we had to pull the strops up with the winches. Without that option you must have some fun days!, though you do have a much greater power advantage!
I still mess my moorings up though
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Not that difficult to mess up on a river with sluice gates allowing the run off from Snowdon through whenever they damn well please and a harbour master who 'prefers' that the boats all face upstream on the trots.
A big spring tide can make stopping with the current interesting, especially on a cat where you get weird eddies running between the hulls. We got quite used to aborted runs on the Glasslyn. On some tides we had to pull the strops up with the winches. Without that option you must have some fun days!, though you do have a much greater power advantage!
ShipsWoofy
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I am a great fighter for getting rid of the raggie vs. mobo fights, but I do witness some differences that do seem prevalent among the two groups.
I think, raggies have a slight advantage in general as we 'have' to read the situation, we don't have that power you guys have, plus our sport requires far more concentration on wind and current otherwise we can spend a few hours at full flood looking at the fairway buoy while you lot have passed us, had lunch and are on the way back.
So in harbour, I think your average raggie skipper is more tuned to the wind on his neck or the leeway the boat is making because of the current. We can also see pontoons easier.
I would not be surprised if big mobos found putting the boat against a wall a complete doddle compared to a pontoon a few inches off the water, the pontoons must disappear 30ft out on some of the bigger sports boats? And because of bizarre design characteristics the only way to alight most mobo's is across the stern platform which is possibly the hardest part of the boat to get against the pontoon first?
I used to bring big trawlers against the wall without frightening myself, but have never experienced trying to put a biggish sports boat on a pontoon. I would love to have a go, just to see, but I think most proud owners might shrink away from that request!
I think, raggies have a slight advantage in general as we 'have' to read the situation, we don't have that power you guys have, plus our sport requires far more concentration on wind and current otherwise we can spend a few hours at full flood looking at the fairway buoy while you lot have passed us, had lunch and are on the way back.
So in harbour, I think your average raggie skipper is more tuned to the wind on his neck or the leeway the boat is making because of the current. We can also see pontoons easier.
I would not be surprised if big mobos found putting the boat against a wall a complete doddle compared to a pontoon a few inches off the water, the pontoons must disappear 30ft out on some of the bigger sports boats? And because of bizarre design characteristics the only way to alight most mobo's is across the stern platform which is possibly the hardest part of the boat to get against the pontoon first?
I used to bring big trawlers against the wall without frightening myself, but have never experienced trying to put a biggish sports boat on a pontoon. I would love to have a go, just to see, but I think most proud owners might shrink away from that request!
Mike21
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Much as it pains me to agree with a raggie ( only kidding ) /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif, it's perfectly possible to bring a motorboat in very slowly, either bow in and lassoo a cleat or easier for crew is stern first, get the line on then spring the boat in, although due to the windage on most cruisers as compared to yachts, it may occassionaly need a little extra power applied to counteract the wind
Other advantage of going slowly is if you get it wrong , less likely to do any damage to the boat
Other advantage of going slowly is if you get it wrong , less likely to do any damage to the boat
Lakesailor
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I don't think I have the same problems, but having a small yacht with an off-centre out board manouvering can be a nightmare. I certainly approach my bouy stern first into the wind if the circumstances require it. The option of coming to a stop and being blown off the bouy when single handed and in a crowded mooring are too unsociable to contemplate. At least the stern first method uses all the available forces to your advantage.
tcm
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other big-boat \"pro\'s\"
specifically, whoever was helming Mangusta 80 name of Outside Edge in antibes yesterday. You need some training in slowspeed manoevering, matey! You came out of your busy fairway on the left had side, rather than the right, and used the bowthruster to steer the boat onto the main fairway.
specifically, whoever was helming Mangusta 80 name of Outside Edge in antibes yesterday. You need some training in slowspeed manoevering, matey! You came out of your busy fairway on the left had side, rather than the right, and used the bowthruster to steer the boat onto the main fairway.
Mike21
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Must admit, prefer stern first approach when being blown off, especially with sterndrive boat as bow can be taken by wind very quickly as all the weight in the stern, much easier to get a line on from the bathing platform than from the bow, then simple after that, also makes it much easier to go slowly then and less likely to cock it up
jfm
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Re: other big-boat \"pro\'s\"
Outside edge is a 72. Lives on the very first berth by the barriers on East side of mole Sud. Belongs to the guy who had the Princess V58 on same berth last year. He kept the same captian when he switched from the V58 to the Gusta, a guy called Wayne, who also applied to us for a job in spring 04 but we specifically didn't hire him. I still have his CV somewhere if you'd like a look /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Outside edge is a 72. Lives on the very first berth by the barriers on East side of mole Sud. Belongs to the guy who had the Princess V58 on same berth last year. He kept the same captian when he switched from the V58 to the Gusta, a guy called Wayne, who also applied to us for a job in spring 04 but we specifically didn't hire him. I still have his CV somewhere if you'd like a look /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
ghost
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Thats it in a nutshell its called weathercocking-
it doesnt matter about springs wind or any thing, those that keep trying to justify otherwise are merely masking their ignorance
'just because you shout - doesnt make you right'
go forth and practice, I'd hate to return to my little boat to find a load of gelcoat flakes inside and no apparent marks outside and no bloody note or a witness, I tend to sail in slightly tougher conditions than most and with my son - we rely heavily on our boats soundness, we'd be fu*t if we went out unaware of damage that occurred merely 'cos someone refused to acknowledge an idea or method, religion, smoking drinkin and ego - - our worst friends
it doesnt matter about springs wind or any thing, those that keep trying to justify otherwise are merely masking their ignorance
'just because you shout - doesnt make you right'
go forth and practice, I'd hate to return to my little boat to find a load of gelcoat flakes inside and no apparent marks outside and no bloody note or a witness, I tend to sail in slightly tougher conditions than most and with my son - we rely heavily on our boats soundness, we'd be fu*t if we went out unaware of damage that occurred merely 'cos someone refused to acknowledge an idea or method, religion, smoking drinkin and ego - - our worst friends
Bergman
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And if the wind drops half way through the approach?
Wouldn't it be easier and safer to put someone ashore first to take bow line.
Or come in downwind and use a spring to end of the pontoon.
Or rest gently against the downwind pontoon or boat (well fendered) and then warp into berth at your leisure.
'Fraid I'm too old for these high adrenaline techniques.
Wouldn't it be easier and safer to put someone ashore first to take bow line.
Or come in downwind and use a spring to end of the pontoon.
Or rest gently against the downwind pontoon or boat (well fendered) and then warp into berth at your leisure.
'Fraid I'm too old for these high adrenaline techniques.
tcm
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specifically didn\'t hire him
oops yes, v nice boat but got in a bit of state when he saw others coming in.
emma didn't seem to rate him as a friendly/useful chap either.......
i am ok blokey-crew -wise - the guys even managed to sort all the passarelle replacemmnt bulbs which is a bit of a job.
oops yes, v nice boat but got in a bit of state when he saw others coming in.
emma didn't seem to rate him as a friendly/useful chap either.......
i am ok blokey-crew -wise - the guys even managed to sort all the passarelle replacemmnt bulbs which is a bit of a job.
hlb
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Not sure what sort of boat you got, maybe a raggy thingy. Be aware all types of boats handle different. On the one hand, I've just been helming a dutch barge. This you moor dead slow, it dont stop in 50 yds and it dont do anythig much quickly. Now with a rag stick thingy, it's got a deep keel, so reacts to tide much more than wind. But with a planing boat wind is a big factor and once beam on to it, will be blown off in seconds so a smartish approch and some one to lassoo the cleat is mandentery. Course if they miss out, you have to be equaly quick to back off and try again. Not talking about occasions when you can go straight in, bows to pontoon, stop and get a rope on. Thats easy. Yes I can ferry glide where space permits!! Try ferry gliding a 49 ft barge on a 30 ft wide canal!!
ghost
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well just turn left and as the bow and stern are on the walls ,simply step ashore /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
