Falls over - what to do?

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This boat appeared at our harbour about 3 weeks ago, and has dried out on it's side twice a day ever since. You can see that it is inadequately tied up. The owner is said to live 10 miles away, and has been notified by the Harbour Master.
Bearing in mind posible litigation if anything goes wrong, should I attempt to tie it up properly, and possibly put some weight on the Port side deck to make her lie in?
Dave
 
Me, I'd keep the photograph and as you say, tie it up and put a couple of buckets of water on port side, leave a note in the cockpit in plastic sleave, the owner might be a bit of a novice and or ill/injured, I would tell the HM my intentions, too many folk 'don't want to get involved' maybe understandably so, but we are supposed to be a sailing fraternity, you wouldn't walk away if the owner was lying in the cockpit would you? Is he in the cabin?? Heart attack etc, anyone checked?? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
and you would do us all a favour if there were any way of letting his insurance company know - they wouldnt cover him for such a couldnt care less attitude if they knew.
 
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While I applaud your public spiritedness.... If the HM and the Owner are unconcerned..... what business is it of yours?


If the owner is happy to leave his boat like that, then frankly you have no right to interfere.
 
If you damage it in your efforts to help you may finish up with a LARGE BILL .. Especially if what you do causes more damage .. Perhaps hes waiting for someone to do just that .. Would not be the first time .. Leave well alone ..
 
I would have thought that the Harbour master has a Duty of care.
If he knows that the boat is doing this, and he told the owner to put the boat there, then he is not doing his job. That boat should be moved to more suitable position, wether the owner knows or not.
 
Oh come on! - No - one wants to damage their boat through neglect. No one wants to feel an eejut! Have a caring attitude. We none of us know the circumstances of the owner. If it were my boat and I'd suffered problems, or were simply uninformed, (or ill, or suffering bankruptcy,or my mum had Alzheimer's) or even if I were just new to boats and not as boat-wise as you lot- I think I'd really benefit from a bit of help, advice, a phone call or a bit of rope! FFS - we all get it wrong now and again. Goodness knows I have as I'm learning - and I'm sure we all will make mistakes.
I'm not picking on PD in particular - but we as a group do seem to pick on people who don't know the ropes yet. We all have to learn, we all make mistakes. Helping hands and sound advice is the way to go.

I'm sorry to use your post to reply with a rant... I know from your earlier posts that you in particular are a helpful contributor!
 
PD got it right. If owner doesn't care, why should anyone else.

HM probably does have a duty of care - to warn the owner this is happening. Make sure the owner knows what is happening, (i.e. not just leave a message on machine, but keep following up until he speaks with him), and how serious it is. At some point HM could even tell him - "if you don't do something about it, I will, and don't accept any responsibility for the damage. You've got one week to sort it."

I think the most OP should do is check again with HM to see if he is following up with owner. Then leave it in hands of HM.

And post a new and interesting photo every week to show us how the boat is doing.
 
I would try and get the owners contact details from the HM and (assuming you get them) give the owner a call and let him know the situation.
He/she may be away on holiday and be oblivious of the problem.
Does she have a name /SSR number? It looks like a Jaguar 27 so the Jaguar Yacht Owners site might be able to help.
Why is the mast down, is there a local yard where she is waiting to be craned out? Do they know the owner?
Nobody deliberatly leaves their yacht like this.........it looks like a public area........perhaps someone has 'adjusted' the lines after the owner left.....?
 
Come on guys. Look how slack the lines are. Has a boat been berthed inside and the owner cleared off without adjusting the ropes? I would do the right thing and adjust the ropes,might not tell anyone i had done it but there is no way i would leave the boat to be damaged.
 
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Normally I would be keen to do the right thing and get it sorted.... but the HM is aware, and apparently from the OP, has contacted the owner, who is only 10 miles away...

In reality we have no right to interfere with another persons property if we just happen to disagree with something that that person has done with his property.....

According to the OP the HM is aware and has communicated to the owner the situation... what business is it of ours if the owner is content to leave his boat like that???

BTW if the HM and owner were NOT aware, then I would talk to the HM, and act in concert with him or with his agreement.....

Its not about being uncaring... Some people are just muppets and if you interfere with their lives then you are much more likely to earn their scorn than their pleasure....

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She's got 3 tiddly fenders and no fender board for that wall with it's columns and ladders. I suspect she is doing less damage to herself on the putty than leaning her weight against the wall.
 
Can original poster please go back to photo host site and rotate that photo !! The we all refresh our page and see it right way up !!

I agree with Photodog - I care about boats, but any effort you make for that boat may involve damage that may not have happened if you left her alone.
If the HM is not touching it, there must be a reason ?

Having salvaged boats in a couple of harbours when I was based in UK, I rec'd thanks from HM's but also advised that I should be aware of claims if I caused any further damage - daft I know but true.

The boat appears to be a shallow fin Jag, so she's going to fall over anyway. The way mast is lashed - I reckon owner expects her to fall over and has lashed mast to stay !
Looking at the harbour wall - there's a fair rise and fall of tide there so any effort to keep her standing and against the wall will need some good setting up. I hazard a guess that maybe someones slacked the lines after she fell outward ?
IMHO the biggest risk to her is not fact of being slack on lines but the state of the bottom - looks like rocks and various in the thin mud. Not a good bottom to lay over in.

Like many I hate to see boats neglected, loads of people that would love to have such a boat and put it to good use.
 
Pic rotated.
I had a lot of trouble posting the pic with Firefox. Eventually had to use IE. Anybody know why this would be?
Pic is of Isle of Whithorn, and similar boats have berthed in this spot with no trouble for as long as I can remember.
Bottom is hard rock with thin mud and shingle at this berth.
Tidal rise and fall up to 27 feet springs. About 4 hours after HW in the pic.
Dave
 
Don't touch the boat yourself.

If you really care (and it seems you do - well done) then as he lives close by just print out this post trail and pop it through his letterbox!

Who knows, he probably thinks his pride and joy is fine, having lent it to his son's uncle's friend to take it out for a day a few weeks ago!
 
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Pic rotated.
I had a lot of trouble posting the pic with Firefox. Eventually had to use IE. Anybody know why this would be?
Pic is of Isle of Whithorn, and similar boats have berthed in this spot with no trouble for as long as I can remember.
Bottom is hard rock with thin mud and shingle at this berth.
Tidal rise and fall up to 27 feet springs. About 4 hours after HW in the pic.
Dave

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Oh that's better .... thanks

Bottom is good for boat to stand upright on, but not for continuous laying over. With the bump and grind each tide she's probably scoring her topsides.

But still - stupid situation that leave her as is and brings tears for the waste. Sort it and then leave open for silly claim by negligent owner ...

Some HM's have time periods before they touch boats, as in disposing of derelicts etc. it may be that he has a time that he has to wait before he can take action and be covered against liability ... who knows.

Very sad.
 
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