Fairline Targa 63GTO

[petem]

Nope, it's on straight shafts.

Remember, the quoted top speed is only a projection and the final speed attained may be higher once they've experimented with different props, etc. Incidentally, the show boat has the smaller Cat C18's.

And as I've said before, speed may be a high priority for some in the SofF, in other territories it is less of a priority I believe.

And after all GT means "Grand Tourer" doesn't it (the 'O' is for Open)...

 

[MapisM]

Turning a bigger pitched prop.

Nope.
AOTBE, a higher torque engine may use, along its whole utilization range, a larger DIAMETER prop, not a longer PITCH prop.
Based on the (obvious) assumption that they installed in the 63GTO the right props for using the 1200hp engine at its rated rpm and 100%load - i.e. exploiting all of its power, there's no way that any other engine producing the same power could spin a longer prop at the same rpm, because by definition that requires more hp - no matter the torque differences, if any.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

I know it's old now ,but take my boat one of many Itama modals around 2001-2004
3 engine options ( according to the hand book )
Volvo penta 480 hp
CAT 450 hp for the Yanks
MAN 610 , @ launch ,up grades to 700 2003, and run out 2003 -- 730 hp
The T from the MAN 13 L over the Volvo 9 L an extra 1000 +Nm ---

Nice acetate display @ boat show and mag write ups with €€ from .
Only one was orded with the CAT,s ( Caribbean - Bahamas ) the others approx 20 over the 3 y build were all MAN ,s
Point is they had a choice .

The Volvo option Amati did it for market testing reasons and to entice client and then you explain them what they choose.
Pershing did the same with the old 43 (one or two was made with the Volvo 74s 480hp) and now is in Malta. They tried hard to do to be competitive with English brands of the time 30 knots in light mode not happy.
Pershing scrubbed it and nearly all had Man 630hp after that (2001 till 04 production of 30 plus units), one with Cats 660hp and another with Man 610hp.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

And after all GT means "Grand Tourer" doesn't it (the 'O' is for Open)...

Nah. If you call a boat GTO its got to be fast because any petrolhead will know that the Pontiac GTO was one of the most famous muscle cars every produced. This is what a proper engine in a GTO should look like

 

[MapisM]

Urgh, let's avoid mixing the sacred with the profane... :ambivalence:
Hopefully Enzo will not spin in his grave if I'll throw in this thread his masterpiece which made the GTO acronym epic...

 

[MrB]

Urgh, let's avoid mixing the sacred with the profane... :ambivalence:
Hopefully Enzo will not spin in his grave if I'll throw in this thread his masterpiece which made the GTO acronym epic...

Now she is a thing of beauty. :encouragement:

 

[Portofino]

Urgh, let's avoid mixing the sacred with the profane... :ambivalence:
Hopefully Enzo will not spin in his grave if I'll throw in this thread his masterpiece which made the GTO acronym epic...

Yup ,all joking aside lads

That C 18 can,t do 31 knots , it's gotta be more , it will be embaressed in the bay ,everybody WOT,s em
There's one of these v near it --- with bigger props , both size n pitch --- bigger V 12, s apart from that the 63 is I think 43 cm wider --- drag ?
Jurno,s can,t wait to print the WOT ,s speed and then the claimed speed
http://www.powerandmotoryacht.com/boat-tests/riva-63-virtus?tab=review

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Urgh, let's avoid mixing the sacred with the profane... :ambivalence:

You dont think the Pontiac looks better then?

 

[petem]

Yup ,all joking aside lads

That C 18 can,t do 31 knots , it's gotta be more , it will be embaressed in the bay ,everybody WOT,s em
There's one of these v near it --- with bigger props , both size n pitch --- bigger V 12, s apart from that the 63 is I think 43 cm wider --- drag ?
Jurno,s can,t wait to print the WOT ,s speed and then the claimed speed
http://www.powerandmotoryacht.com/boat-tests/riva-63-virtus?tab=review

Us Fairline owners don't worry too much if someone else has a slightly faster boat. So you don't need to be concerned Porto!

 

[Nigelpickin]

I think the '68 Pontiac GTO is just about perfect....the front of that Ferrari is fugly....

 

[petem]

You guys are showing your age. When someone mentions Ferrari GTO I think of the later one that looked a bit like a 308.

 

[MapisM]

You dont think the Pontiac looks better then?

Let me put it this way:
A mad Tuscan engineer in his mid 30s draws the red artwork above, and six years later, the performance division of the largest car manufacturer on the planet proudly introduces the thing which you posted as their best effort.
Now, even leaving that silly restomod aside, if Nigelpickin sees that as a progress in automotive design, well, I'm happy to agree to disagree...

 

[Portofino]

You guys are showing your age. When someone mentions Ferrari GTO I think of the later one that looked a bit like a 308.

GTS for the targa and GTB for the berlinetta -tin top .
He used to race them on Sunday and sell them on Monday --- build another one for the next race ,and bank role the team .
Omoligata ( sp ) bit was a nod to the regs at Le Mans and other road races at the time , you had to " produce " a certain number to qualify and be for sale .
There are 37 GTO,s left , last one went for £20 M ++
Owners are folks like Bill Gates ,Anthony Bamford , etc -- he occasionally sends his to FOC events
Anyhow thing is it won Le Mans loads of times often 123 ---- hence the speed thingy it was a winner on the track .
Currently the existing owners have a get together drive in France every 2-3 years .About 20 + turn up .
I,am with Nigel on the looks ,not my cup of tea ,they say they are the best driven -- that's the fuss .

Let's hope the new FL is the same -- best driven
Looks wise --- back to the boat the 63 is a stunner and will sell on looks alone .
Just hope av joe buys into the " open " rear glass blurb and not the Le Mans race winning GTO car image .

 

[MapisM]

Omoligata ( sp )

Almost correct, just replace the "i" with an "o". :encouragement:

 

[Portofino]

TBH I would have sat on the fence and called it plane Jane Targa 63 GT.
Then waited
If sales rocket etc and with plate spinning a move to a new factory by the sea etc
Then on that future order book - re hire the design team to fit bigger engines -- ok rework the boat , but same hull and top
Just move that bulkhead Fwds enough to shoehorn in the V12 -1900 Hp and THEN some 2-3 y down the line call that the GTO --- 42 / 45 knots ,
Keep the GTO for the fasted ones not the plane Jane models .

Any how we need real sea test results now .sombody must have WOT ,ed it

 

[MapisM]

I said from the beginning that in my experience there are folks out there who could be interested in a boat like that even if not as fast as her look suggests, and I rest my case even after agreeing with Deleted User that the numbers don't stack up, in the comparison with his F630.

That said, the upgrade path that you are suggesting could make sense, if the model flies.
I'm just not sure it's worth following it by mean of higher power alone.
For a 45 kts (or more) version, I think it would be better to go for the full monty, throwing also some rooster tail in the brochure.
That might also appeal to some nieces, I guess...

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

The new 63 has a big fuel tank of 4600 liters. That is huge for a boat less to nineteen meters. Average in this size would be 3000 liters.
With full fuel and water (another 1k l) capacity performance numbers will be less to 30 knots. That is an extra 5 tons to you for a boat which 34 t unloaded.
Think 40t loaded.

 

[MapisM]

All well and good W, but still, I don't think Deleted User was comparing apples with oranges, when he mentioned the 6T difference with his F630... The chap knows the difference between dry and loaded!

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

The new 63 has a big fuel tank of 4600 liters. That is huge for a boat less to nineteen meters. Average in this size would be 3000 liters.
With full fuel and water (another 1k l) capacity performance numbers will be less to 30 knots. That is an extra 5 tons to you for a boat which 34 t unloaded.
Think 40t loaded.

Yes that is big. Maybe Fairline see the 63GTO as a trawler yacht. My F630 has a fuel capacity of 3700 litres and that is larger than the average 63 foot planing boat. The dry weight of my boat is quoted at 36.4t. The dry weight of the 63GTO is quoted at 33.5t so even will full tanks my boat is going to be 2t heavier which still begs the question as to why the GTO isnt faster. Anyway all will be revealed by the magazine tests

Btw good on Fairline for offering the boat with such a big fuel capacity. Too often these days, boat manufacturers seem to be cutting down on fuel capacity presumably to save weight and cost. For example the latest Prestige 630 only carries 2700 litres of fuel; nobody is going to convince me that is because it is proportionately more fuel efficient. I would happily swap a knot or 2 of speed for more fuel capacity so well done Fairline

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Btw good on Fairline for offering the boat with such a big fuel capacity. Too often these days, boat manufacturers seem to be cutting down on fuel capacity presumably to save weight and cost. For example the latest Prestige 630 only carries 2700 litres of fuel; nobody is going to convince me that is because it is proportionately more fuel efficient. I would happily swap a knot or 2 of speed for more fuel capacity so well done Fairline

The main markets for a 63 Targa GTO are the Med and the East Coast of the US.
Now both these areas are full of marinas, and you do a 12 hour trip only if you really need to do it.
I think Ferretti's (which usually used to have a 20% extra fuel versus most of the competition) does this right.

But here the 63 Targa GTO has 30-40% extra, something the Aussie down under builders (Rivera and Maritimo) like to do on this size (60ft or over).
In down under they do it cause the customer who upgrades in this size is usually setting sights on round a Australia cruise and the West part of Aus has couple spots where you need the range.

I would like a review from Boattest.com on this model, where nos are pretty accurate and detailed.

btw Princess have a new V60 project same engines (a foot shorter in LOA, one foot slimer in beam) 27t in medium load, 2750 l fuel capacity. 38 knots max speed estimated with Man 1200hp.