Fairline Squadron 78 refit/fit - Hard Top

[henryf]

Yup, and you have Club Purple literally right next door to the shipyard for an after work drink and foam party
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=p...&sa=X&ei=I8bsVI-NHsz5avHHgPgE&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg

Club Purple?

Don't be daft mate, Emma's in Gosport is where all the beautiful people go these days..

Lid looks great by the way and I'm sure all the other works will yield results even if no-one would ever know when it's all back together.

Henry

 

[wakeup]

Just needs a kebab et frites shop to tick all the boxes ?

 

[Sishoe]

Club Purple?

Don't be daft mate, Emma's in Gosport is where all the beautiful people go these days..

Lid looks great by the way and I'm sure all the other works will yield results even if no-one would ever know when it's all back together.

Henry

That's not Emma's the clientele look far to upmarket for a start.
For me, its not been the same since they stopped doing the Dance & Dine offer where you took your entrance stub over to a kiosk in the corner of the dance floor, and were presented with a paper plate c/w sausage & chips. Was great to Frisbee the lot over Gosport's finest, before rapidly leaving before the punch up broke out.
Sorry for the thread drift.

 

[rafiki_]

Thanks for the kind words. Actually we agreed/signed the HT project order at SIBS in September 2014 but there is a lead time on the components (HT GRP infusion moulding is made in Slovenia, at Seaway/Greenline), plus February just suited everyone's diary. Winter boating happens in the Med but for me is slow/occasional. Season really kicks off in May, so I just want all the work done by then really

I'll post more pics and vid later

JFM, if a carbon fibre hardtop had been available, what sort of % premium would make it of interest? I ask this as CF would reduce the mass quite considerably. Finish should not be an issue, particularly if wrapped.

 

[jfm]

JFM, if a carbon fibre hardtop had been available, what sort of % premium would make it of interest? I ask this as CF would reduce the mass quite considerably. Finish should not be an issue, particularly if wrapped.

I think I'd pay say 30% more but beyond that the pricing gets a bit punchy. alas I think 30% would get nowhere near what it would cost, because carbon needs (I think) to be autoclaved and this would need a big oven. Gut feel is that carbon would need perhaps a £75k=75% premium

Weight up there is a mix of good and bad. Weight is generally bad in navigation on this class of boat, but at anchor mass up there on a 7m lever arm increases the roll period nicely

I just took delivery of a full set of carbon spars (from NZ) for my Laser dinghy. You only have to pick them up to see that the weight saving over aluminium is very striking indeed. ((They're not class legal but I don't care about that). I imagine that HT moulding would be 200kg in carbon compared with 500kg in infused GRP. If you made the support legs in carbon too you'd remove another 150kg (and add another £30k perhaps)

 

[benjenbav]

I think I'd pay say 30% more but beyond that the pricing gets a bit punchy. alas I think 30% would get nowhere near what it would cost, because carbon needs (I think) to be autoclaved and this would need a big oven. Gut feel is that carbon would need perhaps a £75k=75% premium

Weight up there is a mix of good and bad. Weight is generally bad in navigation on this class of boat, but at anchor mass up there on a 7m lever arm increases the roll period nicely

I just took delivery of a full set of carbon spars (from NZ) for my Laser dinghy. You only have to pick them up to see that the weight saving over aluminium is very striking indeed. ((They're not class legal but I don't care about that). I imagine that HT moulding would be 200kg in carbon compared with 500kg in infused GRP. If you made the support legs in carbon too you'd remove another 150kg (and add another £30k perhaps)

That would be a lot to pay for the same weight saving as losing three or four guests.

On the subject of the Laser, a foiling kit might be the way to go...

 

[Illusion]

Carbon spars for a Laser...........that doesn't sound class legal or do you mean tiller/extension?
Now what you really want is a glidefree kit, lots of fun!!

http://www.glidefree.com.au

Sorry for the thread drift over to the dark side.

 

[rafiki_]

I think I'd pay say 30% more but beyond that the pricing gets a bit punchy. alas I think 30% would get nowhere near what it would cost, because carbon needs (I think) to be autoclaved and this would need a big oven. Gut feel is that carbon would need perhaps a £75k=75% premium

Weight up there is a mix of good and bad. Weight is generally bad in navigation on this class of boat, but at anchor mass up there on a 7m lever arm increases the roll period nicely

I just took delivery of a full set of carbon spars (from NZ) for my Laser dinghy. You only have to pick them up to see that the weight saving over aluminium is very striking indeed. ((They're not class legal but I don't care about that). I imagine that HT moulding would be 200kg in carbon compared with 500kg in infused GRP. If you made the support legs in carbon too you'd remove another 150kg (and add another £30k perhaps)

Interesting. There are some decent sized ovens around these days, and I think the fairly low volumes of this type of moulding would make the numbers reasonably sensible. I will do some digging.

 

[jfm]

Carbon spars for a Laser...........that doesn't sound class legal or do you mean tiller/extension?
Now what you really want is a glidefree kit, lots of fun!!

http://www.glidefree.com.au

Sorry for the thread drift over to the dark side.

No carbon spars are not class legal but I don't care about that. I do mean spars - both mast sections and the boom. I've always had the carbon tiller and extension. The spars are incredibly light, perhaps 1/4 the weight or something of the ali. Makes them much easier to manhandle and stow (clipped to e/room ceiling in my case). It will be interesting to see the effect on sailing - less weight trying to capsize me but quite a lot less angular inertia so the thing might twitch annoyingly fast to windward when the squall ends or you hit a wind shadow when you're hiked

@both you and BJB, yes that aussie foil kit from glidefree is quite something. Been eyeing it up for a white. No worries bout thread drift btw. It's over £4k so as much as the whole boat in standard spec, and the upside-down T shaped centreboard with foil is a nightmare to store. I'd want to get it modded so the foils are removeable from the centre board, making it flatpackable, but that means engineering some kind of doweled joints and hidden bolts which is quite a project, on top of a few other projects underway on le boat right now, qv.

I'm still loving the Laser btw, and it doesn't sail shabbily without foils anyway!

 

[MapisM]

Hi J, an impressive upgrade indeed.
Almost makes one wonder if you didn't consider sellng also M2 and going for M3 with a factory built HT...
...Though you might have had enough of following all the bits and pieces required by a build from scratch, I reckon!

TBH, I still think that a tad lower height and a slightly more rounded profile at the front would have been nicer, as debated almost one year ago in this thread:
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?391209
But I guess that at FL they didn't want to lose some potential customers just because they are taller than some of us!

Otoh, I must swallow my previous suggestion to stick with white for all the stuff above the HT: the domes etc. look really cool in black.

As an aside, is it a big pirate flag that I'm seeing in this pic, or what?
If so, that's definitely a thumb down from my part, I'm afraid....

 

[henryf]

John, or others.

I've had a casual look at Lasers & similar and got a bit confused whilst perusing the 2nd hand market. There seem to be loads of different models. Which should I buy?

It's going to sound a bit posh but we just had a lake created, about 800 metres by 100 metres and there's another one being dug out which will be bigger, sort of 2 lakes joined together. I love the thought of having it on our boat but realistically I can't see it happening with the current P50 so assume just for inland use.

I'm 6'2" up to 100 kg and I'd like to be able to have 2 people in the dinghy, 2nd person will be 35-70kg.

What should I buy? It won't ever be raced, purely a recreational toy for a bit of fun after work.

The hydrofoil kit looks amazing, we've been buzzed by hydro-foils in Chichester harbour. Quick and then some !!!

Henry

 

[benjenbav]

John, or others.

I've had a casual look at Lasers & similar and got a bit confused whilst perusing the 2nd hand market. There seem to be loads of different models. Which should I buy?

It's going to sound a bit posh but we just had a lake created, about 800 metres by 100 metres and there's another one being dug out which will be bigger, sort of 2 lakes joined together. I love the thought of having it on our boat but realistically I can't see it happening with the current P50 so assume just for inland use.

I'm 6'2" up to 100 kg and I'd like to be able to have 2 people in the dinghy, 2nd person will be 35-70kg.

What should I buy? It won't ever be raced, purely a recreational toy for a bit of fun after work.

The hydrofoil kit looks amazing, we've been buzzed by hydro-foils in Chichester harbour. Quick and then some !!!

Henry

Back in the day the appeal,even the USP, of the Laser was that it was a one-design. Hull, rig - the whole thing. Then they brought in some different sized sails and then... Well that's about where I lost the plot. If you're just planning to sail up and down your private waterway on your own pretty much anything that says Laser on the packaging will work.

Downside of a Laser is you get your backside wet. Always. Nicer when the water is warm.

For Olympic competition the more substantial sailor is perhaps better suited to the Finn class, but they are the devil's own craft, especially the comedy boom which is about 200mm above the deck and has a tendency to cut one off at the knees unless one happens to combine the musculature of a gorilla with the flexibility of an orang utan.

 

[henryf]

You say anything with laser on the side will do but I thought not all Lasers were designed for 2 people. I had assumed I would need something with a jib as they were 2 people dinghies.

I have thought about something bigger but it needs to be wheeled around easily over uneven ground by one person.

Henry

 

[Hurricane]

No carbon spars are not class legal but I don't care about that. I do mean spars - both mast sections and the boom. I've always had the carbon tiller and extension. The spars are incredibly light, perhaps 1/4 the weight or something of the ali. Makes them much easier to manhandle and stow (clipped to e/room ceiling in my case). It will be interesting to see the effect on sailing - less weight trying to capsize me but quite a lot less angular inertia so the thing might twitch annoyingly fast to windward when the squall ends or you hit a wind shadow when you're hiked

@both you and BJB, yes that aussie foil kit from glidefree is quite something. Been eyeing it up for a white. No worries bout thread drift btw. It's over £4k so as much as the whole boat in standard spec, and the upside-down T shaped centreboard with foil is a nightmare to store. I'd want to get it modded so the foils are removeable from the centre board, making it flatpackable, but that means engineering some kind of doweled joints and hidden bolts which is quite a project, on top of a few other projects underway on le boat right now, qv.

I'm still loving the Laser btw, and it doesn't sail shabbily without foils anyway!

Did you consider a smaller rig as well?
I remember I bought a Laser a few years ago when the kids were younger - we had a rig called a "Radial" rig.
Essentially, it consisted of a smaller sail that could be fitted instead of the standard one so that youngsters and less capable people could still enjoy sailing.
I don't know if it is still available but I seem to remember that the balance was still good enough to enjoy a good sail.

 

[Pinnacle]

You say anything with laser on the side will do but I thought not all Lasers were designed for 2 people. I had assumed I would need something with a jib as they were 2 people dinghies.

I have thought about something bigger but it needs to be wheeled around easily over uneven ground by one person.

Henry

Henry

You need to think of Laser as a brand. Laser brand several different types of dinghy as "Laser". The one that jfm has is the original Laser with the original full rig. EDIT It was designed as a single hander, so will always be a compromise if you want to sail two up. END EDIT Hurricane has referred to the fact that there are several different size rigs available to put on the same hull.

If I may make so bold, ahem, I think the Laser jfm has is just not suitable for you/where you intend to sail it. Its not that big and as others have said, you bum will always be wet. Ok in the Med, not so fab west of London! I have owned four of them, but that was in my youth........

For pottering about on a "lake" in the uk you might be better off looking at something outside of the Laser stable.

 

[MapisM]

Like a 470, possibly?
Not sure of how much heavier it is vs. the Laser, but I've seen folks wheeling it around in Lake Como alone, fwiw.
And much better suited for a crew of 2, obviously.

 

[Nick_H]

I'm still loving the Laser btw, and it doesn't sail shabbily without foils anyway!

Having been there when the last two photos were taken, I can confirm that it does indeed appear to sail well, and that jfm also seems very proficient in its use.

He's very proud of the matching paint job on the hull, so much so that in the middle of a high speed run across the bay in N Sardinia he kindly turned the boat upside down so we could all have another look

 

[kcrane]

For pottering about on a "lake" in the uk you might be better off looking at something outside of the Laser stable.

Like a GP14

 

[Hurricane]

Henry

You need to think of Laser as a brand. Laser brand several different types of dinghy as "Laser". The one that jfm has is the original Laser with the original full rig. EDIT It was designed as a single hander, so will always be a compromise if you want to sail two up. END EDIT Hurricane has referred to the fact that there are several different size rigs available to put on the same hull.

If I may make so bold, ahem, I think the Laser jfm has is just not suitable for you/where you intend to sail it. Its not that big and as others have said, you bum will always be wet. Ok in the Med, not so fab west of London! I have owned four of them, but that was in my youth........

For pottering about on a "lake" in the uk you might be better off looking at something outside of the Laser stable.

Agreed

There are loads of sailing dinghy classes out there.

 

[Hurricane]

Like a GP14

OMG
Thats a class from the past!!