Fairline Phantom 48 vs Fairline Phantom 50 vs Azimut 50

I wouldn't include the Sealine T50. (I owned one for 5 years)


Interested in your comment about the Sealine T50, didn’t you rate it then?
 
Motion said:
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Ok start thinking more about outside space ....what and how you are going to potentially use the space .....and shade .

We berth in a 15M slot so I regularly walk by the usual suspects .
The Ph 50 folk seem cramped when there’s a fold up cockpit table sitting4 in the aft area outside .Its a builders dilemma where to pitch the rear patio doors .Too far back to make the saloon larger or a bit near the front to make the cockpit ( outside space ) bigger ?
There’s no correct answer depends on how the owners gonna use the boat .
For Med use you need max useable outside space .
Azimut do a nice 47 as well as 50 and it think it wins on outside space at be rear and possibly upstairs too ?
As always buy on condition and view a few .
 
PowerYachtBlog said:
I think with the exception of Ferretti everyone used 4/5 mm teak, I think at the time Ferretti was 8 mm. Azimut had solid hull bottoms at the time, cored hull sides in Diab PVC Core and top sides. They where among the first to go this direction. Today both Azimut and Princess use the same system of Diab core, and Sunseeker does the same to the upper structure deck.
Azimut start doing part bits of hull bottoms in around after 2010 on some models.
Princess and Fairline up until 2009/10 had balsa cored hull sides. In around 2009/10 Azimut started doing some bits of the bottom hull in PvC core. I think Princess is still fully solid bottom.

Ferretti uses the Scrimp system of infusion and have since early nineties also used PvC core for the hull sides.
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There’s a large number of incorrect statements in there.
 
also looking at Princess 50 Mk III 2008 and a Fairline Phantom 50 of the same year. Princess with D11 670 VP and Fairline with D12 715s. any opinions please?
 
Hi.

I see you are now looking at a 2008 Princess 50 mark 3? I have owned one for 2 years now (my second Princess) and I feel like I have crawled over every inch of the boat inside and out. I think I know the boat pretty well now.

I'm not familiar with your other choices however, I purchased the 50/3 for a few reasons:-

Solid glass hull
Straight shaft drives
Centre master cabin
Fits into a 16m berth

I can say hands down that it is a huge volume boat. At least double the internal volume of my previous P45 (2003). I absolutely love the layout.

The handling characteristics are superb also; in every respect.

I also think (imho) it is one of the best looking 50 footers out there.

It is fair to say I have had some problems in the first couple of years ownership; most of which are well documented on this forum. As a very broad generalisation I would have to say the build quality is lower than my previous 2003 P45. The cabinetry and some of the fittings and fixtures were less than perfect in some areas. I have also had problems with water getting where it is not supposed to be. The electric sliding windows and the teak cockpit decks. All are fixable but it would pay to know what you are looking for during a pre purchase inspection. I had a very detailed survey done prior to purchase and none of this was picked up. As always caveat emptor.

Knowing what I know now would I do it again? In a heart beat. I can't help it but I love this boat. It is smooth, quiet (D-11's), incredibly well mannered in all (and I mean all) likely sea conditions and the layout (master cabin) is second to none for that era. It is pretty much the perfect boat (for me).

Happy to explain more if required/desired.

Cheers.

James.
 
Having owned one for 7 years, I can comment on the Azimut side. Instead of Azimut 50, I would recommend you to focus on Azimut 47. Even though she is a tad smaller, she is one generation newer (around 5 years of design difference), additon of hull windows, more sociable fly with barbecue placed in middle of the fly table, much more contemporary furniture design and finish are other benefits. This superiority is confirmed by the market by placing 47 above 50 with a slightly higher price tag. But I believe that you can overcome this price difference by carefully studying the market and finding a good one with a motivated seller.
 
thank you so much . also looking at some Princess 50 MK III which is a very nice boat, however I have read that it runs bow high ....
 
Motion said:
thank you so much . also looking at some Princess 50 MK III which is a very nice boat, however I have read that it runs bow high ....
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Hi Motion,

I wouldn't say it runs nose high at all. It runs less nose high than my 2003 P45 and the visibility is great from the helm position. As far as performance and handling is concerned I cannot fault it and believe me I have tried. There is a full cruise report if you're interested.

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthrea...ance-Italy-Aug-Sep-2018&p=6506266#post6506266



Cheers,

James.
 
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