Fairline Phantom 46

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Seriously thinking of upgrading my Targa 40 to a flybridge because of expanding family - anyone got a view point on the Phantom 46....good or bad?

There seems to be quite a few for sale at the moment, some have been around for ages and none of them seem to be selling particularly fast, which is slightly concerning.

Thoughts would be greatly received!

Rob
 
This isn't a direct reply (sorry!) to your post, but I've started keeping an eye on a few boats as we're thinking of buying early next season. I've noticed that a different style of boat, but equally well known, the Broom 42, seems to be sticking as well. Prices have slid gently downwards but they're still there.

I'm just suggesting the market is soft and it need not reflect on the quality of the boats if they aren't selling, just unrealistic prices given the low demand.
 
With the all of Peters there are deals to be had on Sealines as well... and as a result Fairline and Jeanneau dealers I imagine will be under pressure to follow...

They are the main rivals for one another and well worth a look as I am sure you know.

The other thing to consider is that boats are only worth what people will pay.

I have many similar boats listed, and it is something of a buyers market, in so far as the nicer examples of boats are being sold for prices one might expect the less tidy ones to go for, the idea being that taking a small hit is better than paying for storage, and upkeep on a boat you aren't using...

One thing from a brokers perspective is that people always think their boat is worth more than it is, and very often, but not always, do not keep their boat as clean as potential buyer like to see, although perfectly clean seeming to them... giving a negative first impression, but also a bargaining point.

If looking to upgrade, do not be afraid of cheeky offers is my basic message here I think! I have seen more than a few accepted recently, with 4 boats completing this saturday from deals I have done in fact!
 
I know this is such a hard question to answer, so I'll try to be a little specific... if there are several similar boats on the market (same model, spread from 2001 to 2004) and they seem to have been on the market for several months, and they average around £280k, what is a "cheeky offer" in the curent market and time of year?

As a dealer with two or three of those boats on your books, how would you react to an offer of say £240k (or £250k or £230k)? Is that level clearly too little and embarrasing to pass on to clients?

I'm trying to get a feel for where sellers heads are at, though I expect you'll reply "Ah, well, it depends..." /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Phantom 46 is a great boat I know it well was out on one 2 weeks ago and did about 185 miles, one thing is its very thirsty about 0.7 to the gallon will be nothing like the mpg compared to the targa, if your a serious seller my mate my be interested in the targa, one other thing about phantoms is the back blacks up with soot all the time if its on volvos, dont know about cats though.
 
Not at all...

I have had an offer accepted at £50k on a boat valued at an easy £60k...

Basically, if you offered 240 on a 280 boat I imagine I would be able to reach a deal between either the decision makers or the seller somewhere inbetween in the direction of yourself /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Captain, I have a 46 foot Ferretti now and before that an Azimut 46. In terms of interior space, the Phantom 46 is not in the same league although it is reputedly a good sea boat
With regard to what to offer, the answer is don't be shy. If there are several P46's on the market, then go in very low, given that the market is soft at the moment and winter is coming. I would make a starting offer of £220k on a £280k boat but make sure the broker knows you are serious in terms of being able to buy the boat. If you are turned down, then go onto another boat and so on. You can always go back to the first one. The key thing to remember is that you can always go up but never down on an offer
There will be sellers who are very keen to sell so you might be lucky. Also don't forget that you will have to sell this boat one day yourself and it will be less financially painful if you have'nt paid over the odds for it in the first place
 
I have owned two targa 40s followed by a Targa 43 and now have a Mk2 Phantom 46 fitted with Volvo D9s (no black behind). Advantages:-

1. Lot better sea boat than the T40.
2. Great accomodation esp. if you have the crew cabin.
3. Light saloon.
4. Easy to handle.

Downsides.

1. Tender in the way if you are trying to moor Starboard Side to.
2. Uses lots of fuel.
3. Cramped Engineroom - try changing the port hand impeller.

Great boat overall.

-Andrew
 
I would take a look at an Azimut 46, best of the crop IMO, and they don't seem to have the high price on the second hand market that you find with bigger Azimuts.
 
I would make a list of possible 46 - 14 mtrs and try to have a look at all and see who offers the best deal for condition offered
Azimut 46 is most succesful seller with over 400 sold
check also Astondoa 46, Princess 45, Jeanneau 46 Prestige
and obviously a Fairline 46 Phantom
 
Great advice - all of which I have taken on board, so many thanks.

The fuel situation is slightly worrying on the P46 considering the probable price of £1+ a litre at the at the end of next year - which is also a concern with how this will effect the price of this kind of boat in 12 months time. I had reckoned on the P46 using double the fuel that my T40 uses being approx double the weight and having the aerodynamics of a house. I could live with that, but not sure if this is realistic? Just my guess. I only tend to run approx 30-40 hours a year though so maybe its not too much to be concerned about.

Andrew..does your mk2 have the open plan saloon? If so, how would it be for kids (or me after a drink!)...there seems to be nothing to stop you falling 12" down into the galley and breaking your ankle? What would you say is the comparison fuelwise with the t40?

Volvopaul here is a quick spec of my T40 if you know of someone who is interested: (sorry if I shouldn't do this here but here goes)

It's a 2005 boat (commisioned Aug 05) all in fab nick with:
60 hours on Volvo D6 310's
Blue hull (of course)
Holding tank/macerator
Upgraded hi-fi with 2 x amplifiers, 2 x subs and dash remote
upgraded 4kw radar scanner
C120 chartplotter with auto pilot
Teak cockpit
Carpet overlays
Leather saloon
2 x aerials
DSC VHF
Combination microwave/oven
15" tv + Dvd
ipod docking station
5kw central heating
SeaMe active radar reflector
Cockpit fridge/griddle/sink unit
full canvas plus tonneau
Can't think of anything else - pm me if you want to.

Any more thoughts & experiences with P46 would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Rob
 
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I would make a starting offer of £220k on a £280k boat but make sure the broker knows you are serious in terms of being able to buy the boat. If you are turned down, then go onto another boat and so on.

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Good advice, thanks for the help. I think the suggestion that you have to make clear you are a serious buyer with money to spend is useful, as is the reminder that you'll need to sell yourself later, so every £5k you knock off now makes it less painful at the other end.

TBH I would not have thought to go in at £220k on a £280k boat, but once they say "split the difference, so £250k" and you say "Ah, no, that's too much for me" and they then say "How about £240k then?" and you say "If you throw in the tender you've got a deal" you end up only 15% or so off the asking.
 
Hi Rob,

Hows Things? Selling the T40 already!

JJ doing just fine but with little one on the way we might have to follow you down the upgrade route soon! Don't think we can afford the T40 now but may be after your Phantom 46 in a year or so /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Happy boating!

- Andrew (& Julie)
 
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TBH I would not have thought to go in at £220k on a £280k boat, but once they say "split the difference, so £250k" and you say "Ah, no, that's too much for me" and they then say "How about £240k then?" and you say "If you throw in the tender you've got a deal" you end up only 15% or so off the asking.


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Er, it does'nt have to go like that. Just stick to the price you offered or move in small jumps. Anyway, just go onto the next one.
Yes I know it does'nt work like that. You will get fixated on one particular boat because you and SWMBO feel it's the 'right' boat for you and you will end up paying more than you intended /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif After all, if you were worried about money, you would'nt be buying a boat in the first place
 
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Hi Rob,

Hows Things? Selling the T40 already!

JJ doing just fine but with little one on the way we might have to follow you down the upgrade route soon! Don't think we can afford the T40 now but may be after your Phantom 46 in a year or so /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Happy boating!

- Andrew (& Julie)

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Hi Andrew

Great to hear from you - glad JJ is still going well - I really liked that boat, and was very sad to see her go. It's funny how you can get terribly attached to a lump of grp.

Yeah, seriously thinking about parting with the T40. It's a great boat for 2 or 3 people but with 2 kids and all the c**p that goes with them its getting a bit tight. We got stuck in Guernsey for 3 weeks back in the summer(!) in all that wind and rain, and I was climbing the walls. I definately think it could suit you and Julie - maybe I could pursuade you?!

Glad things are good with you.

Best wishes, Rob
 
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