Fairline or princess with shafts

jon and michie

jon and michie

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Hi - I am thinking that in a couple of years of upgrading to either a fairline targa or princess something in the 40ft + range preferably with shafts
Whilst looking on the Internet I am seeing various models either with a kad or tamd engine.
Would I be correct in thinking that the the kad engines have a drive leg and the tamd engines are on shafts?
Jon
 
jon and michie said:
Would I be correct in thinking that the the kad engines have a drive leg and the tamd engines are on shafts?
Jon
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Almost.

On the older pre Kompressor engines, TAMD was the shaft drive, and AQAD when linked to sterndrives (or TMD and AQD) for the pre aftercooled engines).

On the Kompressor engines it was KAMD for shaft drive and KAD for stern drive.

However, don't rely on this in the description - plenty of people put KAD when they actually have shafts.
 
If you are looking for 40ft on shafts forget th a 42.43.44and 300 Volvo options as the boat would be grossly under powered you would need the 60 series Volvo or Cummins equilivant
 
Thanks for the replies so far.
So basically kamd tamd in the volvo range are shaft driven.
I am looking for a boat from about 1998 onwards.
Jon
 
Then your shaft boats are the Fairline Targa 43, and Princess V40.

Fairline Targa 43 (produved from 1997 till 2005) had the Tamd63 in 370hp or the 74/75 in 480hp. 32 knots with the first 35/36 knots with the second.

The Princess V40 produced from 1996 to 1999 has the Tamd63 370hp option in U (V) drive combination and is good for 30/31 knots with these engines.
In 2000 the model evolved to V42 and had the shaft option with the same engine, but I have never seen one of these life or in the brokerage market (so they are pretty rare) and apparently the option was removed in 2002.
Also please understand that the V40 hull is a stern drive designed elaborated hull and when in shafts likes to pull a rather important amount of water forward, which made it a wet ride.

After these two boats then you need to go for bigger and or newer boats, which would be a Princess V50 (which sell in similar price to a Targa 43 to be honest) and a Targa 47 GT or Princess V46 and V48, for these last you need to add budget by about 100k (exception to V46 which sell just under 200k but have Tamd75 480hp Volvo's on them versus the the D9 575hp of the V48).

Another option to stay in the British stable and selling similar price to a Targa 43 can be a Sunseeker 44 Camargue. Heavier, slower and drinks much more, 6 liter per mile to the 5 of the T43 and similar engine options.
Will do 30 knots with the Volvo 480hp but is a bigger boat measuring 47 feet overall and also a wider by two feet and weighing in at about an extra two tons 14t from 12t.
 
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PowerYachtBlog said:
The Princess V40 produced from 1996 to 1999 has the Tamd63 370hp option in U (V) drive combination and is good for 30/31 knots with these engines.
In 2000 the model evolved to V42 and had the shaft option with the same engine, but I have never seen one of these life or in the brokerage market (so they are pretty rare) and apparently the option was removed in 2002.
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I know that there's a handful or so of the shaft boats in Sweden/Denmark. They have sometimes been listed for sale on blocket.se or scanboat.com.
 
jon and michie said:
Whilst looking on the Internet I am seeing various models either with a kad or tamd engine.
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Beware of what you read on boat ads.
You have much better chances to know for sure how a particular boat was actually built by asking here, rather than trust a broker ad.
In fact, many of them are made with the only effort of a cut and paste from a similarly wrong ad of another boat... :ambivalence:
 
Thanks again for the replies.
I did notice there has been some offered in some scandinavian countries.

I will be vigilant when I do go to see a boat and if its not what I am looking for.
I will just walk away

Thanks again
Jon
 
Hi Jon,

Another boat worth considering would be the Sealine S43.

Not the 41, that was stern dives and had some interesting handling. The S43 (same basic boat) came with shaft drive and is a much different (better) proposition. Unless you are looking for the badge on the side as the priority, the Sealine is a fantastic boat. Two huge cabins, huge saloon and huge cockpit compared to the other two.

I believe there are some S42 with shafts but I cant be sure.

edit: as with the KAD/KAMD, whatch out for adverts misnaming the boats. S43 is ONLY shaft driver. S41 is ONLY stern drive. S43 is the one to have
 
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Thank you once again for the replies.
Jez again you've thrown another model in the mix.
And a lot of information to ponder over but in a lot better place.
Jon
 
Perhaps being a little fussy...I might say that not all tamd engines are on shafts. Plenty tamd31 and 41 with outdrive
 
On an mbm West Country cruise years ago I was on the support rib.

It was pretty lumpy coming back to the Solent via the needles and I sat in the wake of an s43 which was on the cruise all the way home. It just flattened everything in its path. Very impressive and gave us a lovely ride home!
 
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Not being fussy but those are AD31 and AD41.
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White lighter you Might be right to be fair. For some reason i had it in my head that the AD31 was a version of the tamd31 ? Never perhaps put it together that the AD might be referring to outdrive and the tamd would only be shafts. Is that correct ?
 
That’s correct. Both the 31 and 41 have a turbo but no supercharger.
The 32 and 42/43/44 added the supercharger (or kompressor) hence the K added to the name.

You are right though that many people just interchange them on adverts.
Fine on boats that are only shaft or outdruve, but annoying on boats where either was an option.
 
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