Fairline in first place?

More Fairline buyers are unhappy with their boats so change frequently, meaning a greater volume at lower prices on the second hand market.

Princess owners love their boats so less available and at a premium
 
ChrisJefferies said:
Some interesting figures in this report:
http://www.mby.com/news/british-brands-dominate-eu-used-boat-market-46814
It suggests that Fairline outsold Princess by 60% on the used boat market last year.
What do you gents make of that?
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Interesting if accurate. But how do yachtworld know when a boat is sold? Does removal of a listing count in their books as a sale? That would be madness, because it might have been withdrawn by the seller, and they list the same boat several times under different ads so one sale might appear as 3 to them.
I'm happy to be proved wrong by anyone who can explain that their data is accurate
 
PR spin by Yacht market I suspect!

A better way would be a freedom of information request to the Part 1 registry of registration over years by brand.

It would not be perfect (many boats are not on P1) but it would give an idea of proportions.

Or a FOI request to the SSR registry would give a wider base, but registration does not gtee a sale - simply that the owner wanted to take the boat abroad.
 
I guess quite a few older FL Sprint, Corniche, Targa 29/30/34/37 change hands each year which will bump up the Fairline numbers, likewise with the smaller Sealine models. A lot of the older Princess models are sold as Marine Projects, so may not register as Princess sales, and also they dropped the smaller boats from the range earlier than Fairline.

I'm not too surprised that UK brands are dominant though, as UK buyers tend to prefer them, and I guess there have been fewer mainland European buyers generally due to the ongoing financial concerns and extra taxes on yachting in Italy in particular.
 
Nick_H said:
I'm not too surprised that UK brands are dominant though, as UK buyers tend to prefer them, and I guess there have been fewer mainland European buyers generally due to the ongoing financial concerns and extra taxes on yachting in Italy in particular.
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I think the main reason that British brands are pre-eminent on this list is firstly that Yachtworld is an English language website and British buyers looking for British boats will tend to look first at Yachtworld. There are other popular websites like http://www.mondialbroker.com which are Italian language and therefore primarily aimed at the Italian buyer seeking Italian boats. I'm guessing there are websites out there in other European languages aimed at other national markets so what I'm trying to say is that Yachtworld, whilst being a popular website, is by no means representative of the market

Then there is the fact that British builders have historically focussed on smaller boats. The Italian boat building industry has historically been significantly larger in turnover terms than the British boatbuilding market but I suspect because Italian builders have focussed on the larger end of the market, there are simply fewer Italian boats being sold on the used market. It would have been interesting to see how Yachtworld's list would have looked if the rankings were made by total value of boats sold rather than by numbers of boats sold, which really don't tell the whole story
 
As a commercial Yachtworld user, when a boat is sold and we remove it from our for sale lists, we are asked to provide data saying how it was sold. Eg via Yachtworld or another source?
Therefore, whilst it is never going to be entirely 100% accurate their knowledge of what volumes of which boats are selling via their service has to be pretty much the best info there is.

JFM's point about the same boat being multiple listed is a good one - however this is covered in the YW system because if a boat is deleted from our lists, as opposed to sold, then no info is collected by them.
It is only collected when a boat is marked as Sold by the listing broker.

From a practical point of view if an owner calls saying I want 5000 for my boat and we can see that the average price of that model and year is between 3500-4000 then we are able to tactfully suggest that he may be a trifle 'optimistic' and do our best to see it is priced accordingly and not somewhere far wide of reality!
Hope this insight helps a little.
 
Whitelighter said:
More Fairline buyers are unhappy with their boats so change frequently, meaning a greater volume at lower prices on the second hand market.

Princess owners love their boats so less available and at a premium
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Where did you get that figure from? I sold my older princess to buy a newer fairline , I bought the fairline because I liked it and wanted one, it actually took 3 years to sell my princess, nothing wrong with it just I wasn't giving it away to tyre kickers . I saw a phantom 43 3 years prior to placing my princess on the market, I looked at a few princess models after I'd sold my princess as I was without a boat for 5 months, I still bought the model fairline that prompted me to sell in the first place.
 
volvopaul said:
Where did you get that figure from? I sold my older princess to buy a newer fairline , I bought the fairline because I liked it and wanted one, it actually took 3 years to sell my princess, nothing wrong with it just I wasn't giving it away to tyre kickers . I saw a phantom 43 3 years prior to placing my princess on the market, I looked at a few princess models after I'd sold my princess as I was without a boat for 5 months, I still bought the model fairline that prompted me to sell in the first place.
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I was just offering one interpretation of the data.

There are many interpretations. As usual, most will just skew it to support their own choices but in reality it means nothing - though it got some free marketing for yachtworld which was the goal.
 
I'm not sure it means a lot, Beneteau probably manufacture more boats PA than sun, prin, fairline together so there must be a lot more second hand Bene boats in circulation. Yet Beneteau only 7th place?
 
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