Fairline 3 day week

Is that across the whole production workforce or just sections of it? Awful as it is, IMHO reducing hours + pay for everybody is better than cutting jobs for some.
Interesting that Fairline and Sealine have made significant reductions in their o/heads but Princess and Sunseeker have not or at least not announced it. Anyone care to speculate why it seems that Princess and Sunseeker appear to be suffering less?
 
I did hear a rumour and it was only a rumour that Sunseeker have pulled out of Excell, as I said it was only a rumour, a friend in the trade rang me to ask if id heard anything about his quote. Anyone else the wiser??
 
I hear Sunseeker is doing well, with the bigger models over 70 feet of its range, small ones are suffering and its easy to see why. 52 Manhattan was priced at 1.1 million EURO in Genoa, for 100.000 more you can get a 55 Squad
now the 52 Man IMO is a painful boat

Fairline have some big problems what I heard with much less selling then expected. Just how much of the 40 sold models of the 55 Squadron was true a friend of mine got one for much less then asking price delivery in June. Think 20% or more

there is only one fact at the moment, there has been no better day for buying used or new boats. If you want to know more just call me...
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Tv said 340 staff on top of the 90 redundancies already. We do some transport into fairline for some bods, so guess that will reduce somewhat. Will just have to go find some work to replace it. Sometimes I feel like I'm on a conveyor belt & some little sod at the end keeps on turning the speed up every time I get close. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
Again let me know which comedy club your mate is playing in next Friday...

Sealine are the only major British manufacturer not doing Excel this year.

The only strain they may feel (Sunseeker) is having to find enough boats to do both LBS and Dussledorf that clash this year.
 
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Again let me know which comedy club your mate is playing in next Friday...

Sealine are the only major British manufacturer not doing Excel this year.

The only strain they may feel (Sunseeker) is having to find enough boats to do both LBS and Dussledorf that clash this year.

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this is stupid from part of the LBS organizers, they also are doing the same with SBS clashing with Cannes, does BMIF know what is it doing....
they think this is better for them as they can compete and join with the hype but IMO I think this is stupid, especially competing with 2 of the biggest shows in the world which fit both SBS and LBS in there backyard, if they'd want too
 
I think SBS was there before Cannes? and also the LBS / Dusseldorf thing has a lot of history and you will find it was the Dussledorf organisers that pulled it forward some years back.

There is a federation that is supposed to look after the interests of boat show organisers they were bought in to sort this mess out a long while ago.

But to say its the fault of the BMF is slightly unfair.
 
...well it is rough on the employees but it is the best option for the company. No one knows how long or how deep the current financial climate will become. For all we know there could be an enormous improvement in January.

Shorter weeks reduce overheads, save over supply which maintains brand values, saves redundancy payments and will allow the skilled workforce to remain.

Having saved myself from Redundancy two years ago by taking a substantial reduced package it is the best option. Mind you I did get redundancy this time.

Looks like Fairline are not sticking their heads in the sand!

If Essex really are selling over 35% of all Fairlines (by Value) then surely they will soon be feeling the pinch!

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hmm I think SBS and Cannes clash for 2 days, Cannes has been going on 47/48 years so I dont know who is right in there
LBS used to be before Dusseldorf as it used to start on the 6th before, now they moved it forward, so for the SBS I dont know much
but LBS I think want to clash with Dusselorf, there is a couple of organizations to be exact, Barcellona last year clashed with FL this year with pressure from the builders Barcel was move forward by a week, I think that is the way to go
I second also the comments of many forum members where I think the UK with four big builders, 1 big boat show should be enough and I think SBS is the one
 
one show enough? I think maybe that depends on the boat under consideration. OK , if you are going to spend millions, maybe you will jet off to Cannes or wherever, but not everyone is spending that sort of money, and not every manufacturer at the shows in selling 60-100ft boats.
If you are talking about more modest fare, I think its good not to have to wait up to a year to get to see similar boats in one location.
In the end, surely the manufacturers dont turn up if they feel its a waste of time.
 
If Cannes has been going 47 yrs, then it is the older show but I don't see a huge conflict between Cannes and SIBS as the target audience is very different
But there is a conflict between LIBS and Dusseldorf which is only going to result in one winner and it won't be London. IMHO, the LIBS organisers are shooting themselves in the foot. Firstly, the move to Excel was and still remains unpopular for a host of reasons that have been well discussed before. Second, the LIBS organisers seem to moving the dates of the show ever later in January and ever closer to Dusseldorf which doesn't make sense to me. A few years ago LIBS used to open on 2nd Jan or thereabouts. I can understand why that wouldn't be popular with exhibitors but it was popular with visitors, many of whom would still not have returned to work after the Xmas/New Year shut down. Now LIBS begins on 9th Jan so virtually every visitor has to take time off work to go and all the kids are back to school. It doesn't make sense to me
IMHO, this recession will encourage some boat builders to give LIBS a miss and concentrate on SIBS and Dusseldorf and that will be the beginning of the end for LIBS
 
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I did hear a rumour and it was only a rumour that Sunseeker have pulled out of Excell, as I said it was only a rumour, a friend in the trade rang me to ask if id heard anything about his quote. Anyone else the wiser??

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Given how marketing lead Sunseeker are, I find this impossible to believe.

I don't see any of the big manufactureres pulling out through choice in fact.
 
I was at Princess a couple of weeks ago for a weeks course, and they took us to all 5 factories they have and everyone was flat out.
They said they almost need to run a night shift to meet orders, most of the over 50ft models are sold out until 2010.
I guess they just have a good product at the right price.
 
After METS next week we may know a little more.

At least business has picked up in the US, with much lower fuel prices boat building/buying seems to be on the increase.

How this is happening after all that has happened in Wall street I've no idea?

Back to work, I need to see who will be visiting METS from Fairline, Sunseeker and Princess!
 
Strange that Princess are still busy and Fairline aren't. Only think I can think of is pricing. I seem to remember a P54 costing about £600k pre tax, but Sq 55 seems to be vastly more, i've seen figures of £1m, and even if that's with tax, its still over £800k pre?
 
yep Princess have always been realistic on price the 50 at about 900.000 EUROS is realisiticly priced
but some builders are making there smaller models make more cash then a bigger one, if you can say a 50 footer is small, cause I tihnk some builders really are losing on realism
 
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one show enough? I think maybe that depends on the boat under consideration. OK , if you are going to spend millions, maybe you will jet off to Cannes or wherever, but not everyone is spending that sort of money, and not every manufacturer at the shows in selling 60-100ft boats.
If you are talking about more modest fare, I think its good not to have to wait up to a year to get to see similar boats in one location.
In the end, surely the manufacturers dont turn up if they feel its a waste of time.

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IMO one big show is enough, then you can have another dozen of small boat shows as in France, Italy and Spain
e.g. in Italy they have Genoa big show and then a dozen small shows in Rome, Venice, Posillipo, Catania in Sicily, Pesaro etc etc
they should follow that example in UK
credit is also given to smaller sized boats in these shows as you say
 
Yup, agree with that. Fairline seemed to have been pursuing a strategy of optimistic pricing justified by a slightly more stylish finish recently. The Sq55 was quoted to me at £700k ex VAT about 18 months ago. Now it's north of £900k ex VAT if you tick a few option boxes and that's just too much money. Princess have always had a more value for money strategy and maybe that's more appropriate for a depressed market
 
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Strange that Princess are still busy and Fairline aren't. Only think I can think of is pricing. I seem to remember a P54 costing about £600k pre tax, but Sq 55 seems to be vastly more, i've seen figures of £1m, and even if that's with tax, its still over £800k pre?

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Also, IMO Fairline lost their way over the last 4 years on their designs (particularly the SQ58 replacement) - e.g. Princess and Sunseeker have been producing mid cabin FBs for ages. In fact I think they are all mid cabins now.
 
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