F43 any views

The trampoline is like this: trampoline and the scotters like this : scooters .

The trampoline goes in what is a massive locker under one seat in Dinestte, I mean it is a huge space, full width of boat, I can stand up in it (6'+) and extraordinarily wide too, I forgot the Knee boards fit in there too.

Then the 2 scooters fit in the engine bay, strapped down, as they need 240v to charge, excellent! Paul
 
style, fit, finish

yep the failine styling is stronger, but the puting together was less than great.

Lots of good stuff on sealines, bigger volumes (generally) lower prices but the style dept need to get out of W midlands kitsch mode and understand that things like a bmw, a merc, a ducati, b+o music gear is more than just a bunch of working gear and that one little worng bit lets the whole thing down.

As an example, everyone's personal reviews of the t60 went on about the small bits they didn't like what they didn't like - partly showing a lack of understanding of what;s needed but also a lack of coherence and consistency throughout the boat.

That pale + dark blue sticky-on coachline and the faux birdseye maple alone means i don't really want one...
 
Re: style, fit, finish

Do you think its got anything to do with the fact they are really one of the only yards still building smaller boats as well as larger types. Does the "Generic" styling not lend itself across such a large range? I thought the T60 was just bad but the new s29 quite appealing and worked as a whole. I also think they build to a price and weight, I mean for example, the Phantom 43 is a lot heavier boat and does have gas struts on the extrnal lockers, F43 doesnt, but then a lot less money?? However Sealine a far "roomier" feel, yet I have to agree doesn't "feel" as "substantial". Yet I am convinced it intrinsically is as substantial. Funny really why this feeling persisits but I do understand it, though adore my F43 and wouldn't change for any other manufacturer in this size. Peculiar really??
 
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One other point, I don't remember ever having seen as positive a report on a used boat as that in either MBY or MBM recently on the Statesman 410? (Now F43) Yet Sealine decide not to show the F43 at Southampton last year??. Then theres the posts recently about how F43's are holding price and sought after ?? P
 
Re: style, fit, finish

yes, i agree.

I wonder if it's partly something of that merc-effect :- Merc well-known (historically anyway) to favour gently curves as though the metal is half an inch thick. Praps same with fairlines so those long curves make it look/feel treetrunkish? Whereas lots of changes in sealine hull exterior looks more blowmoulded than the "hewn from solid". Fline fbridge ladders extend this to stairs that either are (or seem) several inches thick. Spose ferretti and some others go even further with massive-diameter brightwork....
 
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Yes, it was a positive report. My 410 sold for exactly what I bought it for after 2 seasons. Cant ask for more than that. I noticed the F43 was missing at Soton and I cant remember it being at LIBS either but I can't imagine Sealine would kill it off (like Fairline did to the Turbo 36 and Princess did to the 435). It's just about the only mainstream 40ft aft cabin boat out there for less than silly money and its still selling well. However, the design was introduced in 1993 (I think) and it has'nt changed much since then so maybe Sealine are doing a new model?
 
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I think you are right Planty that there is a lot of perception to this. Two boats can be equally substantial but one might feel more substantial than the other. The sealine style thing is as subtle as the knuckle (ugh!) in Birchwood hulls, which the builders thought was great but the wider market didn't (I use past tense on Birchwood - not sure if they still going or busted?). On Sealines it is mostly the curves in the GRP mouldings, and the visible fittings eg aluminium cleats and (on some models) window frames. JUST those things put a whole load of buyers off, yet if the management would listen and look around those things could be changed at no cost. Though, they still have to do it right: they de-blobcurved the T61 but got a load of other stuff wrong on that.

I would agree your comment that the styling they use is more suited to the smaller boats they make, S20-odds etc are ok looking

I wouldn't trust MBY's views on this. Mr Marsh doesn't have antennae that tune in to style. Read for example the Ferretti 731 report in this month's. Fabulous boat, but the most striking thing is the ultra cool saloon. The owner's suite that Marsh mentions is quite something, but not as big a piece of the show as the saloon. The saloon is like nothing else in its class. The design brief was make it look like a manhattan apartment, and they did, it's fabulous. Yet Marsh doesn't mention the saloon style anywhere in the whole artilcle, and the only saloon comments (the text boxes in 2 pictures) are that it has no handrail on the steps and -as, erm, you'd expect on 75foot flybr- generous headroom. Doh! The lack of handrail will not cause people with £2m not to buy that boat. But those same people will not buy an unstylish boat no matter how many handrails it has.

I'd better don tin hat in case everyone says the Ferretti 731 innards look horrid.... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Pah, thats cheating, you didnt say it was inflatable. I thought you were going to tell us something fantastic like you've had a trampoline made up from the cockpit canopy and bits of the radar arch
Cant remember having a big locker under the dinette on my 410. Maybe it's only on the F43?
 
JFM

I noticed that report on the ferretti too and thought that it was a puzzling report with little mention of the saloon and other more important things. As soon as I read the bit about the handrail I was completely turned off the reviewer as a handrail going up those steps with a side wall is a non-issue, especially on that size of a boat that simply doesn't move the same as smaller boats. And headroom!! come on, this is a 75 footer, that simply doesn't come into it. Ok, if it was a 30-40 footer that had no handrail and only 6ft3 headroom then I would take more notice...
 
Re: rubbish re sealines

When I bought the boat two years ago it had only done 25 hours, it had revieced 1 service before that and had been winterised every year. The previous owner never used it and would go onboard once a week but never took it out.

I bought it in 2003 and it was serviced then and I have had the boat serviced every year since and had both toilets replaced. The last service was done in Feb this year.

Regards
 
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Amazed to see the F43 max speed with TAMD 63P's is 30 knots.

Given that I'd imagine boats like Fairline Phantom 38's and Princess 38's are probably about 30 knots with these engines, presumably the F43 must be a very light boat for its size...? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
Re: rubbish re sealines

I was similarly doubtful when I bought my 410 (same as F43) with 63P's. The salesman told me it could do 30knots and I was sceptical until the seatrial but I was pleasantly surprised by the good acceleration and a genuine 30knot top speed. The hull looks to be as deep Veed as others so I dont think its because of a flatter bottom. I dont think its much lighter than others (about 11t ?) so maybe its just a lucky coincedence of a good match of hull and engines
 
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