Etiquette

Martxer said:
Thanks for the helpful advice I will bear that in mind next time and apologies for my non seamanlike response.

In my defence 1st I saw of him he was alongside and he passed too close turn to avoid his wake hence the sea rage, no need as there was plenty of empty sea about .
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Most of the advice given by other posters is well worth noting in the interests of future enjoyment of your boat and your blood pressure as well. I posted a similar thread last year - complaining about the total lack of consideration of large motor yachts with professional crew. I note you were doing 24 Knts which is more than 3 times my normal speed. Next time you pass a smaller, slower boat in either direction give the helm to someone else and keep watching the other boat until your wake reaches them. You'll be surprised how much of an affect it has even when you give them a wide berth - be sure to keep watching as the wake may take longer than you expect to reach them. I say this because more often than not boaters never look behind after passing a boat and are totally unaware of the force and affect of their wash.
 
Bear in mind your wake at 24 knots will probably upset someone in a sailing yacht or a canoe quite some distance away.
It does sound like the passing boat was too close. Always best to leave a wide berth when overtaking. At least that way when your wash hits what ever you passed, you are long gone.
If you see wash coming your way, best thing is to turn and drive into it mostly head on. Passengers can see what's happening and the boat doesn't roll. Then return to orginal course. Explain to the passengers whats happening and make it fun.
 
A certain large and fast cruiser on Windermere was well-known for exercising his right to go fast. (pre-speed limit). He was an arse. One day he set off at full throttle and climbed onto the plane amongst some moored and sailing( we were sailing slowly) boats. The wash from someone climbing their bow-wave is probably the worst part of the speed range. It caused a great deal of disturbance.
One happy day I saw his boat on a transporter leaving the Lake District.

Yes, he was a member on here.
 
You breached Rule 5 of the COLREGs, the master of the other vessel arguably breached the intent of Rules 6&7 and definitely breached Rule 13. None of this prevents what happened being bad manners but the COLREGs can put you in gaol if someone gets hurt or killed as a result, so it's a good idea to know what you are responsible for.
 
penfold said:
You breached Rule 5 of the COLREGs, the master of the other vessel arguably breached the intent of Rules 6&7 and definitely breached Rule 13. None of this prevents what happened being bad manners but the COLREGs can put you in gaol if someone gets hurt or killed as a result, so it's a good idea to know what you are responsible for.
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Who? Me? What are you on about. Perhaps use the Reply button.
 
penfold said:
If I was replying to you I would have quoted you. It is the OP's thread, I'd have thought it would be implicit that a post not explicitly replying to another is a reply to the OP.
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No. It means you responded to the first post, probably without reading any others and now are trying to justify the breach of forum etiquette .
Ironic really.
 
Not that it matters I did read the entire thread; no-one else addressed the legal aspects of what the OP described so I thought it worth adding my thoughts. If you could point to a rule that says replies must be addressed specifically I'd agree, but there isn't one so you're just being pompous(making up rules) and presumptive(expecting people to follow them). Fred drift may result in a thread being diverted, but it can also be nudged back on course.

Caraway said:
No. It means you responded to the first post, probably without reading any others and now are trying to justify the breach of forum etiquette .
Ironic really.
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penfold said:
Not that it matters I did read the entire thread; no-one else addressed the legal aspects of what the OP described so I thought it worth adding my thoughts. If you could point to a rule that says replies must be addressed specifically I'd agree, but there isn't one so you're just being pompous(making up rules) and presumptive(expecting people to follow them). Fred drift may result in a thread being diverted, but it can also be nudged back on course.
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It is not a rule. It is simple forum etiquette, discussed many times on here and othere forums as well.It's not difficult.
If you have been on here 18 years you must have noticed.
 
Bouba said:
Whatever sins we inflict onto sailboats, pales into insignificance when compared to what they inflict on us (but as I said earlier, I always try to be considerate to others, even sailboats)?
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Quite right too; us in the rag and stick flotilla as as bad as the bloody cyclists! ?

The 'give us some clearance' point made earlier's helpful, but based on our experience, don't make it too much, I just want sufficient time to let the crew know what's about to happen and still be able to swing the bow around gently to meet the wash at about 60*; I don't want to speed three minutes watching/waiting for the wash's arrival.
The 'slowing down' when passing/crossing others IMO causes more trouble than it's worth, a mobo skipping across the water at 20kts certainly generates more wash than one that's doing 6 or 7, but a whole lot less than when it slows down to 10-12kts; when we were in the USA's ICW where the rules, or at least the etiquette requires both parties do slow in overtaking situations, if there was just us and the rapidly gaining mobo around, we'd generally call the mobo on the VHF and request them to just maintain speed, whilst giving us all the clearance that they safely could,
 
BobnLesley said:
If as seems likely the answer to that one's 'yes', then can you honestly say that you afforded them the same degree of consideration that you appear to be asking the much larger/faster vessels to give you?
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I passed two sailing boats on my way back from Douglas yesterday, gave them both 1/4 mile. To be fair here I have far more problems with small motor boats and commercials (IRPCS - what’s that then?.) than with yachts, except for the almost universal omission of an inverted cone when motor sailing.
 
PCUK said:
Out at sea, moaning about wash. Why don't you take up golf? If you can't stand the heat, etc. etc.
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Just to be clear I am not moaning about wash merley enquiring as to boating etiquette when passing other boats.

I am new to boating this year and so far have been using common sense such as giving other boats plenty of room driving past ppl at anchor as a no wake zone.

when someone passes at such close pproximity as you can tell the time on the ladies watch as she waves I felt this was too close / dangerous.

So in your view is it ok / the done thing to be reckless out at sea?
 
Martxer said:
Just to be clear I am not moaning about wash merley enquiring as to boating etiquette when passing other boats.

I am new to boating this year and so far have been using common sense such as giving other boats plenty of room driving past ppl at anchor as a no wake zone.

when someone passes at such close pproximity as you can tell the time on the ladies watch as she waves I felt this was too close / dangerous.

So in your view is it ok / the done thing to be reckless out at sea?
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Your doing fine.
 
Martxer said:
Just to be clear I am not moaning about wash merley enquiring as to boating etiquette when passing other boats.

I am new to boating this year and so far have been using common sense such as giving other boats plenty of room driving past ppl at anchor as a no wake zone.

when someone passes at such close pproximity as you can tell the time on the ladies watch as she waves I felt this was too close / dangerous.

So in your view is it ok / the done thing to be reckless out at sea?
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They were too close for etiquette and for safety; if either helm had a medical emergency or there was a steering failure a collision would have been a significant risk. You ought to consider taking a course so you can learn more. The RYA Powerboat 1 and 2 syllabus covers the basics of the COLREGs and what your legal responsibilities are as the master of a vessel.
Clancy Moped said:
Your doing fine.
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He isn't really; he should know that it is his legal responsibility to keep a proper lookout(rule 5 of the COLREGs). He's asking the question though, so it behoves us to tell him what he needs to know or at least point him in the right direction(formal RYA qualifications; even PB1 covers the basics of the COLREGs, a suitable book, etc).
Caraway said:
It is not a rule. It is simple forum etiquette, discussed many times on here and othere forums as well.It's not difficult.
If you have been on here 18 years you must have noticed.
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I didn't notice you upbrading the posters of #3, 5, 7-13, 15, 16, and 22; what have I done to deserve special treatment?
 
Caraway said:
It is not a rule. It is simple forum etiquette, discussed many times on here and othere forums as well.It's not difficult.
If you have been on here 18 years you must have noticed.
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Yeah, but you’ve only been on here less than 2 years! Or maybe a little longer?!
 
penfold said:
They were too close for etiquette and for safety; if either helm had a medical emergency or there was a steering failure a collision would have been a significant risk. You ought to consider taking a course so you can learn more. The RYA Powerboat 1 and 2 syllabus covers the basics of the COLREGs and what your legal responsibilities are as the master of a vessel.

He isn't really; he should know that it is his legal responsibility to keep a proper lookout(rule 5 of the COLREGs). He's asking the question though, so it behoves us to tell him what he needs to know or at least point him in the right direction(formal RYA qualifications; even PB1 covers the basics of the COLREGs, a suitable book, etc).

I didn't notice you upbrading the posters of #3, 5, 7-13, 15, 16, and 22; what have I done to deserve special treatment?
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And in the real world, away from the Solent or Clyde and the classroom, real-life boating goes on. Try spouting COLREG's to a Greek ferry or a Turkish Gulet. Seriously, the guys doing alright.
 
penfold said:
They were too close for etiquette and for safety; if either helm had a medical emergency or there was a steering failure a collision would have been a significant risk. You ought to consider taking a course so you can learn more. The RYA Powerboat 1 and 2 syllabus covers the basics of the COLREGs and what your legal responsibilities are as the master of a vessel.

He isn't really; he should know that it is his legal responsibility to keep a proper lookout(rule 5 of the COLREGs). He's asking the question though, so it behoves us to tell him what he needs to know or at least point him in the right direction(formal RYA qualifications; even PB1 covers the basics of the COLREGs, a suitable book, etc).

I didn't notice you upbrading the posters of #3, 5, 7-13, 15, 16, and 22; what have I done to deserve special treatment?
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I have done the Rya pb2 coarse and I was keeping a look out.
I was looking where I was going and not where I had been, I was maintaining course therefore looking what was in front of me.
Probably worth fitting a rear view mirror
 
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