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[DepSol]

Ha ha would you like sme fish to go with that chip on your shoulder?

Monterey competition?, well if it comes with a diesel engine, sepeate cabin with a door, aswell as v berth, 2 burn gas cooker, fridge, microwve, sink, hot cold water, shower, toilet, 10 cd changer with sony stereo, cool box, walkaround decks and a beam of 9' 9" to give it plenty of space topped with a cruising speed of 30 knots then maybe it is /forums/images/icons/smile.gif Honestly the Jeanneau gives very good value for money in a boat that is quite roomy for a 26 footer.

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[Forbsie]

Not at all, Sandra! I keep telling them that I'm cr4p, but they keep extending my contract. /forums/images/icons/crazy.gif

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[britemp]

Chip on my shoulder because I've only dealt with estate agents who are twats? Judging by this and the other estate agent thread, you are in the minority here Depsol. My sincerest apologies to anyone here who is an estate agent and not a twat, my opinions are based purely on the ones I've dealt with. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

From your descrition the Monterey sounds very similar - 240hp diesel, 35 knots, 4 berth, similar galley, stereo etc, etc, except for the walkaround bit. I might have look at one, even though it's french. . . . . /forums/images/icons/wink.gif


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[DepSol]

Thats ok then, about time you dealt with some decent estate agents so you dont tar them all with the same brush, its just that I have some good freinds who are Estate Agents you see and they arent Twats or @rseholes.

Whats the beam of the Monterey? Does it have a seperate room with a door or is it just a hard to access underberth jobby? Strength of the Jeanneau is fantastic and a proper sea boat. Trim tabs are a must though!

Best of luck with finding a boat and a reasonable estate agent.

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[britemp]

I'm willing to believe non-twatish estate agents exist, just like the loch ness monster and fair boat brokers, I've never actually seen one. . . .

The beam of the Monterey is 8'6" and the access to the 2nd cabin is easy but no door. Being a noob I'm not sure how much those things matter to me - certainly the 2nd cabin will only be storage. I've ordered some lit and I'll nip down and have a look at both next time I'm by Southampton.


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[DepSol]

Lot of diff from 8' 6" to 9' 9" and seond cabin will be more for sleeping to avoid having to change the dining area to and from bedroom. also an area where you can walk into and stand to get hanged is better than having to crawl in somewhere.

Big differences IMHO but when you have owned 2 boats like this you appreciate the small attention to detail that these extra comforts bring.

These boats may be the same speed and the same length, and same accessories but that is where the similarities stop.

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[britemp]

I'll let you know when I've tried them both! /forums/images/icons/smile.gif


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[df_marcos]

Interested to see the debate on the Monterey and the Jeanneau.. are we talking about the 805 Leader?

Just trying to compare..... do Jeanneau do a 240hp diesel version - and I don't seem to be able to find a price for a specced up version with a diesel.

Guess I could wait until tomorrow, phone and wait for a brochure!

Not a word about estate agents in case I offend anyone who has the answers!

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[mercman]

MONTEREY `VS` JEANNEAU mmmmm! WORK OF ART `VS` NURSERY PAINTING.
SPORTSCAR `VS` DOUBLEDECKER BUS. MONTEREY(DESIGNER WITH GLASSES AND STYLE `VS` JEANNEAU(BLIND MAN WITH PEN).
SAYS IT ALL REALLY THEY SHOULD STICK TO DESIGNING YACHTS AND YOU NEED YOUR EYES TESTED IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE NICER BOAT

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[DepSol]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Practicality is in the hands of the wise man.

If I may be as blunt as you sir.....Properly designed sea boat -v- american pop riveted lake boat.....roomy well thought out accomodation -v- cramped hmm where can i store this stuff design... need I go on.

Sportscar v double decker bus hmm dont think so, I would rate the speed and handling of the Jeanneau higher than the Monterey and the bigger the sea the more I know which boat I would like to be in and its certainly NOT the Monterey.

Plus handling in small spaces the montereys bow drifts off in a wind where the Jeanneau sits better in the water and doesnt fall off in a wind when mooring, at anchor the monterey is more unstable and pitches harder from an incoming boats wake than the Jeanneau so more likely to spill the G&T, and again when getting the fenders in I would rather be on a decent walk way down the side of the boat than hanging on for dear life with 6 inch toe rails.

Stick to designing Yachts....they are becoming one of the largest motor boat builders in Europe especialy if yu add the sister comapny Beneteau. Forget all the Merry Fishers and smaller boats and Cap Camarets lets see Leader 708, 805 Prestige 32,34,36 & 48. Whats the biggest Monterey the 322? Plus if you take the range of Jeanneau alone they have nearly 3 times the amount of boats than Monterey. Look at the Mont range its mostly the same bow riders filled in for the cuddy versions. Also the designers of these Jeanneau boats have pedigree and are famous in the boating world for design and seaworthy boats.

At the end of the day its down to what you want and like thats why there are so many designs and manufacturers.



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[DepSol]

Yes mine has a KAD 43 in it. Enhancements required for this model are SS props and trim tabs.

try doing a search under Freeportmarine

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[mercman]

Ah Monterey built on Florida coast designed for Florida coast. Have a closer look becoz i know for a fact that these beauties are nut and bolted together.Oh and exactly where and when were you at anchor in a Monterey to compere with your unattractive bath tub. The only chance you are likely to get to go in one is if the owner has not collected it. I know how hard it is to get to go in one they are going out quicker than they come in. Unless you have HONESTLY spent some real time in these craft then i suggest you keep your bogus comparasions to yourself.B&Q do something very similar to the 805 Leader for £199 good deal

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[zefender]

See from your bio, you're a Mercruiser dealer. Not by any chance a Monterey dealer too are you? If so, maybe your comparisons are not entirely objective.

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[df_marcos]

This is all a very exciting thread but if it's about estate agents maybe we should stick to that and I will keep quiet... or if it's about boats maybe we should stick to careful facts.

I know a lot of us are very proud of the boats we own - and hopefully rightly so!... but I think we need to be careful where we let those feelings take us.

The Monterey and Jeanneau are two very different types of boats and UK prices with similar options are some £18,000 or so different for us poor so and so's who have to pay VAT.. or £15,000+ different for those who don't.... but there again the Jeanneau is beamier.... but then it loses accomodation to your "walk ways". I am also not sure if you mean the Monterey has 6" toe rails but I can't see where that would be!

Having watched all this go on I did some research. I am sure they are both excellent boats in their own way... but they are different.

"Pop rivted lake boat" expressions and so on are very wrong and undermine the value of the forum as a source of valuable information.

Oh well..... 'nuff said.

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[TonyBrooks]

So it appears that the agent intends to do his job.

He is the agent of the vendor, not yours, and as such, untill the law is changed, he has a leagl duty to obtain the best price he can for the property.

It is up to the vendor to instruct him to stop trying to obtain the best price.

I know it all seems unfair and unethical, but thats the law as far as I know it and you had better start hastling your MP if you do not like it.

Rather that estate agent than one that does deals tos ell cheaply to his mate etc.

All you can do is to tell the agent that you will withdraw the offer if he has not put it to the vendor and obtained an agreement to stop further viewings as soon as your deposit has been paid. Put a time limit on it. Unfortunately, if you then pulled out you would probably loose your deposit.

Tony Brooks

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[DepSol]

If you read my post my comments were displayed in the same way as Mercmans, pop riveted lake boat is not the correct description for this boat however neither are the comments displayed by this poster about blind men doing the design. unless by ommiting that point you advocate his statement?

If you look again I did not start a slanging match about the boats I actually was giving you some info as you are looking at both boats in question. It wasnt me that I think my first comment s were constructive and helpful. I only compared like with like in a manner that was presented to me from someone who wished to express his views in a negative manner and is still is defending this stance.

As I said everyone has their choice as a leader owner I will say what I think is good and better in comparison to other boats but will also retaliate in the manner given by other posts. If the other forumite wanted to debate the boats then fine but to make a statement as he did was as you say not be fitting the forum and no good to any one. So was my reply but there is a difference between debating boats and showing someone that there approach could have been slightly different.

Nuff said.


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[df_marcos]

Hey Dom.... we could have a whole new thread called the 'nuff said thread....

I guess my point is that if two people want to have a spat about the relative merits of their favourite boats then fine but it's best if everyone tries to stick to the facts - whoever they may be and whatever the product may be - be it you, Mercman or the man in the moon.

Because you didn't like the fact that Mercman was saying the unacceptable you decided to do the same?

'nuff said...... but I am sure there will be more!

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[mercman]

No i am not the monterey dealer i know of them.I am merely stating that you should only compare like 4 like. Apologies to Depsol if i offended. I have tried to get a demo on the craft they have either no demonstrator or sold out. I have now bought a Sealine and need to correct myself on spec. I posted it as a S24 i meant to put 21 the Envoy model. But a 265 baby with 6cyl Yanmar is on my list SIBS hopefully and i got a good p/x.
NUFF SAID!!

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