Engine filter cross ref

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I thought we could have a thread where we share filter/part cross numbers.



Cummins Mercruiser 4.2L

Fleetguard have the following parts in their range of high quality filters suitable for

Quicksilver........................cross ref.....................Fleetguard

35-19485 £24 ..................oil filter................. LF3443 £ 14 ....


35-807256 circa £29 ...........fuel filter............... FS19832 £14

Available at your local fleetguard stockists or £7 P&P for up to 20kg here


PS
going spare
1 x as new jabsco impeller 17018 (£25 inc p&p)
 
In Line Filters

For an even more competitive price try:

www.inlinefilters.co.uk

You can put an OEM or Fleetguard part number into their search box and get a price for their own equivalent part. I have been using Baldwin filters on my Cummins QSB engines for the last year with good results and a considerable saving on Fleetguard prices. I also get equivalents to my Separ primary fuel filters from them.

Richard.
 
Daka
Didn't you start a very useful link a couple of years back? That would be worthwhile resurrecting meanwhile this is my contribution for KAD43:

KAD43 Filters

Engine fuel filters are the same as a Volvo 740 2.4 Turbo diesel
GFE5304 (Unipart)
AZF43090 (Coopers)
P4183 (FRAM)
HFF205 (Halfords),

Air filters are from a Volvo 240/260/340/360 2 litre B200K engine.
GFE2133 (Unipart)
AG1031 (Coopers)
HAF237 (Halfords)
CA4365 (Fram)

Oil filter is 423135 which replaces 4785974
Fleetguard No is LF4017
Fram PH2829

Injectors for KAD300 are Bosch KBAL72P23 (08412) FWIW maybe the same.

Jabsco Impeller 17937
Johnson Impellor 09-1028B

Supercharger is an Ogura:
http://www.oguraclutch.co.jp/english/e_products/sc/sc_siyou.htm
 
I'm sure this will upset a lot of people but I find it strange that people will choose one boat over another one because of it having a better, more reliable or more respected engine make and still fit non genuine filters!

When checking over engines for people with a view to buy a boat, seeing halfords, fram or unipart filters makes me think of budget servicing!

I will sit back now and wait........
 
aquatom said:
I'm sure this will upset a lot of people but I find it strange that people will choose one boat over another one because of it having a better, more reliable or more respected engine make and still fit non genuine filters!

When checking over engines for people with a view to buy a boat, seeing halfords, fram or unipart filters makes me think of budget servicing!

I will sit back now and wait........
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Good point Aquatom , we all want to see evidance of previous owners ( money no object ) care and attention and then when its our turn to pay the bill we go all scrooge like :o . BUT , its good value i`m looking for not just cheap anything will do kind of parts . Volvo seem to have reduced prices on parts for older engines and i see BMW are offering much reduced pricing on servicing cars , they must be realizing that there is a big chunk of business out there that they want to get back .
 
aquatom said:
I'm sure this will upset a lot of people but I find it strange that people will choose one boat over another one because of it having a better, more reliable or more respected engine make and still fit non genuine filters!

When checking over engines for people with a view to buy a boat, seeing halfords, fram or unipart filters makes me think of budget servicing!

I will sit back now and wait........
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excellent argument and the reason to date why I have used 'Quicksilver' parts and only bought crosland for on board spares, that is up until now.

My engines were sold by Cummins using 'quicksilver ' filters, cummins have stopped selling my engine (now sold by Nanni and mann in some areas) and I now find the cummins/fleetguard site offering the above two alternatives at significant savings , I presume to spoil it for nanni and mann ? .

If you saw fleetguard filters on a cummins engine would you feel servicing had been scrimped ?
If so its a shame as I believe fleetguard are widely recommended for cummins engines including recommended by cummins themslves.

Of course we could always run on fleetguard for years and just do a quick filter change pre survey when eventually we decide to sell ( shall I keep last years old quicksilver filters in a box ready, now that would be tight).
 
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aquatom said:
I'm sure this will upset a lot of people but I find it strange that people will choose one boat over another one because of it having a better, more reliable or more respected engine make and still fit non genuine filters!

When checking over engines for people with a view to buy a boat, seeing halfords, fram or unipart filters makes me think of budget servicing!

I will sit back now and wait........
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Agreed but what do you call genuine? I have Volvo D4 which has a Parker Racor pre fuel filter. When Volvo do a service they put Volvo filters, a 10 micron disposable filter. During the year I change it and put a Parker 2010 10 micron filter in.

Volvo charge around £20 a filter, Parker charges £8 (eBay £6) who is genuine?
 
I was under the impression that most engine manufactures out sourced its filters from a mass filter production company and had them branded as there own, the same production company also supply to the after sales (non genuine market) so does it really matter what you fit?

I do know that in the motor industry the supply of parts will come from many different suppliers to maintain the production line.

I use non genuine filters on all of my engines,(once out of warranty) and I have never had any problems!
 
All filters are outsourced to the manufacturer who makes them at the cheapest price, yet meets their specification, if you check the major manufacturers they supply the same filters, just in different markings.

Fram may make a filter under their own brand for a specific engine, and the filter supplied to the engine manufacturer is exactly the same except for its colour and logos printed onto the casing.

One perfectly true story filter paper is Canadian manufactured in large rolls and shipped to the UK, it travels to their Nottingham factory and is folded into shape and perforated, and cut to the required width and re-rolled. It is shipped to America where the paper is formed into shape, and is placed into metal casings from China or Korea, and branded as their own brand, Cummins, or Caterpillar.
 
aquatom said:
I'm sure this will upset a lot of people but I find it strange that people will choose one boat over another one because of it having a better, more reliable or more respected engine make and still fit non genuine filters!

When checking over engines for people with a view to buy a boat, seeing halfords, fram or unipart filters makes me think of budget servicing!

I will sit back now and wait........
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Wow this could take me into deep water.........

Halfords,Fram,Unipart, yes regardless of their origins it makes me cringe because of the message it sends out.

I tend to use only Fleetguard, Donaldson or Baldwin pretty much in that order.

Why?

Fleetguard have by far and away the best coverage, providing one stop shopping.

Best technical back up by far.

Competitive pricing.

Sure knowledge that if something DOES go wrong Fleetguard can be relied upon to step up to the bar.

For Cummins applications it is a no brainer, why the poster is using Baldwin on a QSB I am not sure, annual saving is probably a tenner an engine, and I get pretty pissed with on-line suppliers trying to screw around when I order...............Can I suggest the Baldwin eqivalent sir, it is a pound cheaper, or we have availability issues with Fleetguard at the moment sir. I know supplier is on a fat Baldwin bonus to go after Fleetguard, so if they provide me with a written quote I will use that to obtain Fleetguard filters I require from another supplier at the Baldwin quoted price no problem to me. Nothing wrong with Baldwin and I actually specify them for certain gasoline applications (outboard powered RIB's) for use in the Niger Delta because Badlwin were more than happy to approve the gasoline application, Fleetguard were not.

Pal of mine runs an airport generation complex in the Middle East, 6 CAT 3512's and 6 Cummins K38's. If he uses Baldwin the CAT guys go ballistic. Donaldson or Fleetguard keeps both CAT and Cummins guys happy. There was once an issue with 3512 on Fleetguard filters which CAT started to point the finger over, was all inconclusive, however Fleetguard paid up without any quibble.

As for Fram I cannot get excited, as far as I am aware Fram supply Fleetguard with certain branded filters to give them such huge application coverage, but not for Cummins applications, they come out of dedicated Fleetguard plants in France, India and USA. I am aware that JCB had engine issues with certain Fastack models using their own branded filters which I suspect came from Fram.

When I was looking at large Volvo engines in stern trawlers, actully 100% Mitsubish engines just branded as Volvo.....Filter prices were not of this planet, presented a case to Fleetguard and they developed a filter, saving operator several thousand pounds per annum.

Nanni seem to take the gold cup for rip off filter pricing, this is where cross referencing pays REAL didvidends.

Lately I have found Donadlson real easy to work with when looking at Volvo D4/6 filter costs. Found Donalson spec filters both fuel and lube which would work by changing the threaded post. Fuel and lube filter cost would have come out at aound £15 per service once you had made one off purchase of revised WIF sensor and filter head posts, another £15. Potential product liability and all manner of confusion when vessel sold on. I could have made the inadequate Volvo branded Racor/ and last chance fuel filter set up fit for purpose, and a superior lube filter, however project was not worth the potential aggro. also takes me neatly back to where I came in..........sends out all the wrong messages about the way vessel is maintained.
 
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Well that leaves me in an awkward position in that the recommended filters in the owners manual are 'Quicksilver' with a 100% mark up for the designer 'quicksilver ' logo.
I have no idea who manufacture 'quicksilver' but Im sure its not cummins, mercruiser or CMD

The equivalent fleetguard filters I believe are manufactured by cummins group , ooze quality from a reliable source and network but aquatom (? marine engine surveyor ? ) isnt happy to see them on my Cummins branded engine,( this is ridiculous).

My Prefilters are fleetguard anyway.
 
ANDY59 said:
From another direction then , does anyone know of a leasure boat engine failure cuased by non original filters ? .
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From a warranty perspective, mmmmmmm. Mack Boring the U.S the main Yanmar distributor have written to dealers with a warning that warranty is voided by use of non Yanmar branded filters. Yer pays yer money and take your chances.
 
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Latestarter.. given most of us only manage , say,100 hours a year, do you think its going to make much difference, though i take your point if its only £1 anyway !
I can see in an industrial setting running maybe 10,000 hours it might be critical?
 
Latestarter:

Can i clarify the issues with the JCB Fastrak, these were not Fram filters they were JCB branded filters made in China, from what my contact at JCB says it was a limited batch and they stopped buying from them due to poor quality. The Perkins engined models also had a few issues with filters, again these were Chinese copies and not genuine items, imported to the UK and badged as genuine JCB filters.

JCB were just one of a number of UK and other major companies who were the victims of fake parts, Land Rover were another.
 
Re. Nanni:

They loudly and clearly state exactly which base engines they use. Kubota, Toyota, VM...

That would make a lot of alternatives available from more brands.

BTW one of the discount suppliers here sell filters in matt black. If they get a scratch they show a nice blue colour beneath... go figure.
 
My Volvo D4 260hp has Volvo pre filters fitted, I believe these are re-badge Racor 500MA filters.

Volvo price for there pre filter £22.80.

Racor Replacement filters from http://www.phoenixmarinesolutions.co.uk/Products/Turbine-Replacement-Element
Replacement Element 500 Turbine 10 micron £8.22

I have 4 pre filters as spares for emergencies that’s £60 saving. You makes your choice
David
 
David of Essex said:
My Volvo D4 260hp has Volvo pre filters fitted, I believe these are re-badge Racor 500MA filters.

Volvo price for there pre filter £22.80.

Racor Replacement filters from http://www.phoenixmarinesolutions.co.uk/Products/Turbine-Replacement-Element
Replacement Element 500 Turbine 10 micron £8.22

I have 4 pre filters as spares for emergencies that’s £60 saving. You makes your choice
David
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I wonder why the same engine has different pre filters, what age is yours?
 
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