Eat your heart out, Besenzoni
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Portofino
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Re: A small tribute to Carlo Riva
The central pad is from memory the same , the surrounding frame different .
The central pad is from memory the same , the surrounding frame different .
petem
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Re: A small tribute to Carlo Riva
To be hyper critical, a little DP or Besenzoni logo on your new control might have been nice (to fill some of the empty space).
J, I have nothing against the OEM panel - btw, in the meantime they dismissed the blue one in my previous pics and replaced it with the one below, which is more similar to yours and arguably more elegant than the blue one, if you don't mind the pretentious label (I do, TBH! :ambivalence.
But from a functional viewpoint, lighting aside, the feeling and feedback of "real" buttons is much better.
Besides, I can now press the right buttons without even looking at the panel, for obvious reasons.
This is a better pic, for the records - showing also my small tribute to Carlo Riva, which someone will surely recognize.
Anyway, since you mentioned that you'd spec Besenzoni stuff again, knowing that you are likely to REALLY spec some other fine vessels in the future, in your boots I wouldn't dismiss other IT builders of passerelles/cranes/accessories.
In fact, control panels aside, for which I agree that the one PF posted is nothing to write home about, his placement of Besenzoni/Opacmare in the Timex/Seiko league does makes some sense.
I mean, yes, it's true that both companies (traditionally structured for quantity over quality) aimed also at the big boats market lately, but imho neither have what it takes to cut the mustard, when it comes to high quality custom products.
On top of Pin-Craft which PF mentioned, also Bitecnomare and Mor Saverio are worth considering, if you have a choice of replacing whatever your yard of choice offers as standard (which is very likely to be either Bes or OM).
Just one word of warning: do NOT go see their factories, because saying that you wouldn't be impressed is an understatement.
Otoh, their products are indeed outstanding, and you can easily see why you find them on many BIG boats.
To be hyper critical, a little DP or Besenzoni logo on your new control might have been nice (to fill some of the empty space).
Bouba
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Re: A small tribute to Carlo Riva
We are getting into the realms of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder guys
We are getting into the realms of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder guys
jfm
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Re: A small tribute to Carlo Riva
By the way, on back up service, I never needed it for an up/down - in/out 2-cylinder "exposed" unit like yours and Porto's, because they almost never break. But a three stage unit withdrawing into a box under the deck, with proximity switches and auto functions plus auto-closing door, is a different beast with regards to maintenance.
I totally agree that P. Your BartW unit is way nicer than the standard Besenzoni "membrane" unit and I would love to replace my Besz unit with an 8 button BartW unit, especially because you can operate the buttons just by feel, without needing to look.
Yup, fair enough. The thing is that on a boat with no engineer (ie 24m, even if say 92 feet) you also need fast spares back up. Passerelles do wear (eg the wire or dyneema cord needed for 3 stage telescoping, and ultimately seals) and I can have a Besz guy with a van load of OEM spares at the boat same day/next day. And a super competent and nice guy, as it luckily happens in Antibes. I can't get that with a bespoke manufacturer. I dont doubt that P-C, B and MS are awesome passerelles (control unit of P-C aside!) but a trade of back up service versus rolls-royce quality of the passerelle can be worth making. And Besz is pretty good quality, even if nowadays a bit mass produced.
By the way, on back up service, I never needed it for an up/down - in/out 2-cylinder "exposed" unit like yours and Porto's, because they almost never break. But a three stage unit withdrawing into a box under the deck, with proximity switches and auto functions plus auto-closing door, is a different beast with regards to maintenance.
jfm
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MapisM
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MapisM
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Re: A small tribute to Carlo Riva
Actually, I'm aware also of a plain vanilla "exposed" passerelle which failed mid season due to a hose detaching from its crimped terminal.
No big deal actually, and doesn't need a specialized mechanic, but just to confirm that I appreciate the relevance of support.
Point taken.
Actually, I'm aware also of a plain vanilla "exposed" passerelle which failed mid season due to a hose detaching from its crimped terminal.
No big deal actually, and doesn't need a specialized mechanic, but just to confirm that I appreciate the relevance of support.
MapisM
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Re: A small tribute to Carlo Riva
LOL, and counting!We've been there for the last decade Bouba
petem
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Re: A small tribute to Carlo Riva
Yes 1000% - that looks the dog's (DP would look just as good)!
Just need to fill that empty space.
Mmm... R U sure? :disgust:
Yes 1000% - that looks the dog's (DP would look just as good)!
Just need to fill that empty space.
jfm
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Re: A small tribute to Carlo Riva
@mapism #28
Boat nerd alert: we have in toolkit (at my French home, not on board) a full hydraulic crimp set, with stocks of hose and crimp unions, so we now make all our own hydraulic hoses. My brother bought it all (proper professional gear) to make all the hoses for the stabs and thrusters refit on his Aqua Star 74 last year.
@mapism #28
Boat nerd alert: we have in toolkit (at my French home, not on board) a full hydraulic crimp set, with stocks of hose and crimp unions, so we now make all our own hydraulic hoses. My brother bought it all (proper professional gear) to make all the hoses for the stabs and thrusters refit on his Aqua Star 74 last year.
MapisM
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Re: A small tribute to Carlo Riva
Geez... And here I was, thinking to have heard it all after the sewing machine.
Is there anything that you do NOT have on hand, jfm?
Geez... And here I was, thinking to have heard it all after the sewing machine.
Is there anything that you do NOT have on hand, jfm?
Portofino
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Re: A small tribute to Carlo Riva
In theory the back up bit as there’s a Bezi / OpM guy on every street corner in the CdA feels right .But in practice because a lot of the parts “ on his van “ like micro switches, hydraulic valves are generic any mechanic can fix without .
Eg brakes pads for RR can be found at any BMW parts place or Bentley discs are Audi A8 and VW phaeton , just a different colour package .
The supporting hydraulic grubbings on mine are BCM which also does the rudders and flaps .
My pass packed up v early on into the ownership experience, 5 years now .It was working then went dead .
Arie d Boom sent a guy and 1/2 hr worth of labour later he fixed it with a €20 part .
Been faultless since .
Appreciate cassettes passerelle s are whole higher level of complexity and sensitive to knocks and taps misalignment of the micro switches which are peanuts but you need experience to find them and change out and recalibrate the thing .
How many do you see with the flap misbehaving, not properly shut .
And why do Bezi and OpM they make the doors from aluminium which just blows the paint off after a couple of seasons .
Normally in the lower corners and owners just leave it looking a mess .
Need composite doors .
I know from a pal with one .
In theory the back up bit as there’s a Bezi / OpM guy on every street corner in the CdA feels right .But in practice because a lot of the parts “ on his van “ like micro switches, hydraulic valves are generic any mechanic can fix without .
Eg brakes pads for RR can be found at any BMW parts place or Bentley discs are Audi A8 and VW phaeton , just a different colour package .
The supporting hydraulic grubbings on mine are BCM which also does the rudders and flaps .
My pass packed up v early on into the ownership experience, 5 years now .It was working then went dead .
Arie d Boom sent a guy and 1/2 hr worth of labour later he fixed it with a €20 part .
Been faultless since .
Appreciate cassettes passerelle s are whole higher level of complexity and sensitive to knocks and taps misalignment of the micro switches which are peanuts but you need experience to find them and change out and recalibrate the thing .
How many do you see with the flap misbehaving, not properly shut .
And why do Bezi and OpM they make the doors from aluminium which just blows the paint off after a couple of seasons .
Normally in the lower corners and owners just leave it looking a mess .
Need composite doors .
I know from a pal with one .
MapisM
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Re: A small tribute to Carlo Riva
To me, the above example with its posh statement is firmly in the OMDB category.
If there's a way to fill the empty space which I might consider (aside maybe from the boat name), it's the following one.
Which at least would be realistic! :encouragement:
Well P, what can I say? Each to their own on that.
To me, the above example with its posh statement is firmly in the OMDB category.
If there's a way to fill the empty space which I might consider (aside maybe from the boat name), it's the following one.
Which at least would be realistic! :encouragement:
petem
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Re: A small tribute to Carlo Riva
:encouragement: I wasn't precious about the posh statement but you've nailed it in this latest iteration.
Well P, what can I say? Each to their own on that.
To me, the above example with its posh statement is firmly in the OMDB category.
If there's a way to fill the empty space which I might consider (aside maybe from the boat name), it's the following one.
Which at least would be realistic! :encouragement:
:encouragement: I wasn't precious about the posh statement but you've nailed it in this latest iteration.
AndieMac
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Re: A small tribute to Carlo Riva
Yes, this version is better....
Well P, what can I say? Each to their own on that.
To me, the above example with its posh statement is firmly in the OMDB category.
If there's a way to fill the empty space which I might consider (aside maybe from the boat name), it's the following one.
Which at least would be realistic! :encouragement:
Yes, this version is better....
