Driving a RIB Commercially?

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Can someone with a Day Skipper certificate, simply just get it commercially endorsed by the RYA (£30) & then operate passenger trips (12) commercially on a fast RIB, or do they need an Advanced Powerboat certificate (commercially endorsed)?
 
Advanced Power Boat.
Commercially endorsed is the way to go

The Commercial endorsement consists of a Practical and Theory exam
You will also need Sea Survival plus a First Aid Cert and VHF SRC.
Plus a Medical ML5 at least
 
What about the day Skipper?

Kawasaki said:
Advanced Power Boat.
Commercially endorsed is the way to go

The Commercial endorsement consists of a Practical and Theory exam
You will also need Sea Survival plus a First Aid Cert and VHF SRC.
Plus a Medical ML5 at least
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Thats the recommended route, but "can" anyone with RYA Day Skipper get a commercial endorsement & be approved to drive a fast RIB with passengers 'at sea'?
 
scotty123 said:
Can someone with a Day Skipper certificate, simply just get it commercially endorsed by the RYA (£30) & then operate passenger trips (12) commercially on a fast RIB, or do they need an Advanced Powerboat certificate (commercially endorsed)?
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You can have the Day Skipper ticket commercially endorsed but it is only valid for 3 miles from a nominated departure point in good weather and in daylight hours. In reality not a lot of use, and you will as others have mentioned need the sea survival and in date 1st aid certificate plus the medical.

The Advanced Powerboat certificate on it's own is not endorsable, you will be required to undergo and examination by a Powerboat Trainer or approved Yachtmaster examiner, then the ticket can be commercially endorsed.
 
Whats the point of an APB ticket?

Solitaire said:
You can have the Day Skipper ticket commercially endorsed but it is only valid for 3 miles from a nominated departure point in good weather and in daylight hours. In reality not a lot of use, and you will as others have mentioned need the sea survival and in date 1st aid certificate plus the medical.

The Advanced Powerboat certificate on it's own is not endorsable, you will be required to undergo and examination by a Powerboat Trainer or approved Yachtmaster examiner, then the ticket can be commercially endorsed.
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Just what I was asking about.

Someone I know, running a RIB for trips out at sea (never more than 3 miles offshore, but at least 1 hour from point of departure), who has been told by his 'new' skipper, that he can fast track his RYA Day Skipper commercial endorsement in order to skipper this RIB.

Not much point in APB etc, if its as easy as that.

Wonder how his insurance views it (or MCA).
 
scotty123 said:
Just what I was asking about.

Someone I know, running a RIB for trips out at sea (never more than 3 miles offshore, but at least 1 hour from point of departure), who has been told by his 'new' skipper, that he can fast track his RYA Day Skipper commercial endorsement in order to skipper this RIB.

Not much point in APB etc, if its as easy as that.

Wonder how his insurance views it (or MCA).
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It is can be done. In fact the commercial endorsement application form states that the Day Skipper can be commercially endorsed up to 20 miles as long as both the practical and shorebased certificates are held.

"Up to 20M from a nominated departure point in fine weather and daylight hours. RYA Coastal Skipper Certificate of Competence
MCA Boatmaster 3
Advanced Powerboat (2 years
relevant experience)
Day Skipper Theory & Practical

ML5 or ENG1"

extract from the application form - note both practical and theory tickets must be held.

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Isn't the date of the Adv PB Cert relevant?
That is, if it's a course pre 2005 then it is merely a case of applying (with first aid, sea survival etc etc) but after 1 Jan 2005 (I think) you have to be assesed?
 
I have a Day Skipper - Tidal (shore / practical) which with the sea survival, medical, 1st aid, VHF and am commercially endorsed - I run a small charter business -(helps pay for the boat) and I operate to Cat 5 - 20nm from nominated dep' point - daylight & fair weather
www.morayfirthboatcharter.co.uk

If I did the Advanced PB course I could upgrade to Cat 4 - 20nm from safe haven day light & fair weather... but in reality all I need is 20nm from my home port.

So the answer is yes you can drive a fast rib on a day skipper...... but be mindful of the fact that as skipper it's your bo!!o*ks on the chopping board if something goes wrong
 
scotty123 said:
Just what I was asking about.

Someone I know, running a RIB for trips out at sea (never more than 3 miles offshore, but at least 1 hour from point of departure), who has been told by his 'new' skipper, that he can fast track his RYA Day Skipper commercial endorsement in order to skipper this RIB.

Not much point in APB etc, if its as easy as that.

Wonder how his insurance views it (or MCA).
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Two very different courses have a look on the rya website www.rya.org.uk to see .
Ok doing DS in a twin engined boat with good sea keeping but try and switch that knowledge/skill to a high speed rib with a single engine that will get blown around by the wind as you try to come alongside your pontoon and reacts differently in rough weather to your MOBO does not alway's mean you the helm are going to be competent .A good APD will not alway's make a good MOBO helm and vice versa.
Just my 2p
Tim
 
I believe that the requirements may well have changed. For about 10 years, I have held and still do hold, a current Advanced Powerboat Cert with a Commercial endorsement.

I was asked for Sea Survival + VHF radio operator license + medical, to get it. I was never asked for and have never held a first aid cert of any sort.

It may be better to email the RYA for the correct current procedure for "New Applicants".

Regards mikej
 
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mikej said:
I believe that the requirements may well have changed. For about 10 years, I have held and still do hold, a current Advanced Powerboat Cert with a Commercial endorsement.

I was asked for Sea Survival + HF radio operator license + medical, to get it. I was never asked for and have never held a first aid cert of any sort.

It may be better to email the RYA for the correct current procedure for "New Applicants".

Regards mikej
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It is now a prerequisite that you have a 1st aid certificate prior to doing the Advanced Powerboat course, let alone doing the exam. And the same applies for doing the Coastal Skipper - now Yactmaster Coastal - and the Yachtmaster Offshore exams.
 
Solitaire said:
It is now a prerequisite that you have a 1st aid certificate prior to doing the Advanced Powerboat course, let alone doing the exam. And the same applies for doing the Coastal Skipper - now Yactmaster Coastal - and the Yachtmaster Offshore exams.
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Hence my suggestion that, as the rules continue to evolve, that it would be better to ask the RYA who know the current situation, rather than get questionable informaton off of here.

regards mikej
 
mikej said:
Hence my suggestion that, as the rules continue to evolve, that it would be better to ask the RYA who know the current situation, rather than get questionable informaton off of here.

regards mikej
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Oh right, so as a chief instructor at an RYA training centre, you're saying my information is questionable? I am quoting the current regulations - so for example if you contacted us and asked to do the Advanced course, unless you had a 1st aid certificate we would not let you on the course without doing the 1st aid - as well as the VHF etc. Irrespective if you were looking to commercially endorse or not.

In my view, here in fact is a problem as you do not have to be in possession of a 1st aid certificate to do either PB 2 or Day Skipper and yet both certificates can be commercially endorsed. http://www.rya.org.uk/coursestraining/professional/commercialend/Pages/commercialendorsements.aspx.

Here is the application form which makes clear what is required. http://www.rya.org.uk/SiteCollectio...lifications/TRA Comm End Application Form.pdf
 
Solitaire said:
Oh right, so as a chief instructor at an RYA training centre, you're saying my information is questionable?
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OK, no need to be so sodding prickley. I do not know you, your background or many of the posters on here.

I did not question your advice, merely pointed out the most reliable and apparently friendly source was the RYA themselves.

mikej
 
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