pvb
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The Cruiser 41 uses very slim Jefa pedestals. This pic of the same pedestals on my Cruiser 37 shows how slim they are, they're also metal and there isn't much room inside them.
Don't like floor throttle position on Bavaria 41-ideas to solve problem please
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The Cruiser 41 uses very slim Jefa pedestals. This pic of the same pedestals on my Cruiser 37 shows how slim they are, they're also metal and there isn't much room inside them.
Norman_E
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I knew that. My boat is also twin wheel with the control fitted to the starboard side. You just have to control all docking manoeuvers from that side and learn to judge the width of your boat correctly. The pictures of the boat above show that on that vessel the stainless steelwork would make it impossible to fit a morse control tp the side of one binnacle where it could be reached by someone at either wheel, but in practice even that is not a great idea, its better to put it in the position it was moved to and accept that where possible you go starboard to if going alongside, e.g. at a fuel dock, and do all stern to mooring from the starboard wheel. Where Cmedsailor has placed his it should be quite easy to stand ahead of the wheel, facing the stern, when backing into a gap, and still reach the engine control.
EDIT: Seeing that picture of the cruiser 41 it looks as if the only place to move the control might be to put one on the coaming at the side about level with or just ahead of the wheel, but that might risk it getting caught by ropes when mooring. I would look to see if a detachable extension handle would work. It should not be too hard to rig one up to try.
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Sticky Fingers
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OK sorry, misunderstood.
Yes I agree, I ended up using the standard throttle and it was a PITA but I got used to it.
Cmedsailor's solution looks better than the standard but still unusable from the port wheel obviously.
The Jefa pedestal on PVB's boat and on mine (identical I think) are too slim to take the lever; unlike PVB's, on mine I had the platform top fitted to each pedestal that could easily have taken an electronic throttle but not a teleflex. (shallow, poor cable routing). But... the surface of the stbd platform is a bit crowded... Port had more space (no plotter) but even worse cable routing. Hence why we looked at the electronic throttles.
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rogerthebodger
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I have twin wheels with a engine control at each wheel. In my case I have a wheel inside and one outside but my arrangement could be fitted with side by side twin wheels.
prv
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Not with any of the minimalist binnacles causing the installation problems this thread is about.
Pete
ashtead
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I was interested Ed in the top mount throttle illustrated but in absence of a foldable handle the risks of it being snared by mainsheets, fuller lines headsail sheets etc plus crew just kicking it or tripping on it seem high . Itsjust a shame wider wheel plinths are not more common or the plinth isn’t built to take a side throttle above where a winch handle pocket often goes. Maybe we were just split with Bavaria throttle positions in single wheel versions. It seems top mounted throttles only exist on larger boats maybe with twin wheels ?
dunedin
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This is very helpful, thanks Scala.
With the huge number of twin wheel boats now in commission and being built, it feels like there is a major gap in the market and hence opportunity for some supplier who could come up with a twin wheel remote control solution for under £3k fitted. If designed such that the mechanical actuator replaced the manual control, and only an electrical cable needed to the two binnacle it would be a relatively easy retro fit.
With remote control devices available for under £10, it should be possible to engineer a waterproof and more robust mounting for this for the binnacle for under £200 a side. And surely an actuator for throttle and gears should be simpler and cheaper than an anchor windlass, say, so allow £1,000 for this at top end.
I would certainly invest in this if were available fitted at these sorts of prices. Definitely a gap in the market for somebody to fill.
Sticky Fingers
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Good idea. Those prices I was quoted were for top quality kit so I'm sure a less costly solution could easily be engineered if the volumes are there. The key thing I liked was the electronic throttle, a lovely thing. My new boat (Mobo) has them of course.
Positioning is the key, I really don't like having to reach through the wheel spokes to get to the throttle so mounting on the top of the pedestal rather than the side of the post, is important.
Positioning is the key, I really don't like having to reach through the wheel spokes to get to the throttle so mounting on the top of the pedestal rather than the side of the post, is important.
rogerthebodger
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You don't have to mount the control levers on the binnacles directly you count mount then on a box mounted on the cockpit side coving such that you can reach with either hand from a standing or seated position.
Sticky Fingers
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Surely that would result in the lever being more or less where it is already? Apologies if I misunderstand what you mean.
ashtead
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I believe the new moody 41deck saloon has a top mounted throttle if it follows the form of the 45 so it’s entirely possible for Hanse to engineer this but I guess it costs more . I do take the point though that if the throttle was higher it would assist but then annoy those who use their foot I guess .
rogerthebodger
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I was thinking that the controls could be fitted on the outer top of cockpit or in a box mounted to increase the height of the levers.
The main issue is to have a control that can be easy to reach from whatever steering wheel you are using.
Looking at the pictures of pvb's boat it could be easy to fit a box onto the side of the existing binnacle that could take the existing controls with the control cables running down either inside the existing binnacle of a piece of electrical trunking running down the outside to and through the floor
As I said I have one inside and one outside each with their engine control levers so twin engine controls could be fitted at each outside wheel.
VETUS dual station unit type DS for gearbox - Engine remote controls - Boat instruments
https://www.vetus.com/en/boat-instruments/engine-remote-controls/8523.html