Do you ever display a motoring cone?

[capnsensible]

Pete, I have many deliveries under the keel myself and share exactly the same experiences. Probably the most interesting being bunkered with 3 thousand litres on a motorboat in a Moroccan port ....by jerrycan!

I also see a few regulars passing through who have contracts to deliver a series of boats, normally for a particular charter company, that go flat out for the next one.

I think its fair to say though, as you point out, that a good skipper will not be shy of using the engine and manage the fuel consumption effectively.

Maybe its the difference in attitude as one has with an owners car or a hire car....

 

[[70521]]

One on board, never used.

Might use it on an exam.

 

[Halcyon Yachts]

Maybe its the difference in attitude as one has with an owners car or a hire car....

Could be for some...

I always think that when you are looking after something that belongs to someone else even greater care should be taken than if it is your own.

3000 litres by jerrycan sounds exhausting (and in Morocco, hot too)!!!

Pete

 

[Sybarite]

Has anybody ever seen a fishing boat take down its inverted cones when not fishing? And they are professionals.

 

[macd]

Has anybody ever seen a fishing boat take down its inverted cones when not fishing? And they are professionals.

Yes. In France.

 

[prv]

Yes. In France.

Whereas France (specifically the dry dock in Cherbourg) is the only place I've ever seen the mythical welded-on cones

Although I did see a couple of bolted-on ones in Cornwall, I guess they unbolt them for the MCA surveys.

Pete

 

[Poignard]

I was motorsailing in the USA displaying a cone.
To my astonishment, the Coastguard came alongside to ask what it was for.

Here's a picture of the USS Coastguard's barque 'Eagle' motor-sailing without, as far as I can see, displaying a cone.

http://coastguardnews.com/coast-guard-barque-eagle-visits-san-juan-puerto-rico/2014/05/21/

 

[macd]

Here's a picture of the USS Coastguard's barque 'Eagle' motor-sailing without, as far as I can see, displaying a cone.

Makes sense. Isn't that the country whose warships believe they're stand-on vessels when confronted with a lighthouse?

 

[prv]

Here's a picture of the USS Coastguard's barque 'Eagle' motor-sailing without, as far as I can see, displaying a cone.

To be fair I've never seen a cone on Stavros either, not even down in the bosun's store let alone hoisted. They're punctilious about the anchor ball (it goes up the moment the anchor is released, and comes down as it breaks the surface) but don't seem to have heard of cones. I guess they're not relevant to the bulk carriers and tugs that many of the professional crew have come from.

Pete

 

[Joker]

being bumkered with 3 thousand litres

Sounds uncomfortable.

 

[capnsensible]

Sounds uncomfortable.

Spelling mistakes often are

 

[Resolution]

- so naturally they used the skippers pants!



I have heard that some people just motor sail without displaying anything at all... That can't be true can it?!?

Pete ;-)

If I took off my pants I fear that the resultant "shape" would be too small to be visible to be of any use in a Colregs context.......

 

[Robin]

Here's a picture of the USS Coastguard's barque 'Eagle' motor-sailing without, as far as I can see, displaying a cone.

http://coastguardnews.com/coast-guard-barque-eagle-visits-san-juan-puerto-rico/2014/05/21/

Thanks I will print that off to carry on board for when we get our free USCG boat check-over since whilst we are apparently supposed to have a cone to hoist ( and have yet to see one used despite living overlooking the ICW where everyone in sailboats motorsails) you cannot find them here anywhere to buy unless ordered from the UK online. I'm not into making my own unless I happen on some suitable black material not needing $50 worth of paint for a mere 2 squ foot. I did buy a special order anchor ball shape but again despite living overlooking an anchorage on the ICW never see one in use, even anchor lights are sporadic but I will always use one of those.

 

[dslittle]

Don't see many motoring cones in the Small Boat Channel going into Pompey!!!

 

[Cruiser2B]

Thanks I will print that off to carry on board for when we get our free USCG boat check-over since whilst we are apparently supposed to have a cone to hoist ( and have yet to see one used despite living overlooking the ICW where everyone in sailboats motorsails) you cannot find them here anywhere to buy unless ordered from the UK online. I'm not into making my own unless I happen on some suitable black material not needing $50 worth of paint for a mere 2 squ foot. I did buy a special order anchor ball shape but again despite living overlooking an anchorage on the ICW never see one in use, even anchor lights are sporadic but I will always use one of those.

Asked once in a West Marine and got a blank stare. Ended up making my own, but I did see the Plastimo folding cone at one of the boating stores in Lauderdale. You can order one from Defender: http://search.defender.com/?expression=day shape&s=1&Trigger=ac

 

[Robin]

Asked once in a West Marine and got a blank stare. Ended up making my own, but I did see the Plastimo folding cone at one of the boating stores in Lauderdale. You can order one from Defender: http://search.defender.co m/?expression=day shape&s=1&Trigger=ac

Thanks, I saw that too recently bu tmy son said he'd bring one over from the UK for me next trip, if he forgets at least I know now where I can get one and be in a glorious minority of one whilst chugging along in the Ditch.

 

[Tony Cross]

In answer to the original question; yes I do display a motoring cone (in Greece) when I'm motor-sailing in or close to major shipping lanes. I want them to know that I'm motoring so that if I'm the give-way vessel and I give way they're not wondering what I'm doing.

 

[fisherman]

Asked once in a West Marine and got a blank stare. Ended up making my own, but I did see the Plastimo folding cone at one of the boating stores in Lauderdale. You can order one from Defender: http://search.defender.com/?expression=day shape&s=1&Trigger=ac

Just buy a fishing signal, you'll have two cones then. Make sure to get one with the steel welding tabs fitted.

 

[stiknstring]

Insurance company angle

When we all know how eager insurance companies are to respond to claims(?!), I wonder why (apart from the safety issues inherent in the regulation), anyone would want to court the risk of an insurance company using non compliance with the cone rule to deny a claim for collision? I am amazed at the pik'n'mix attitude of so many here to whether they abide by regulations or not. I now sail in the Med and contrary to many people here, I often see motoring cones deployed - probably more often than not. (in West Med).

 

[Robin]

When we all know how eager insurance companies are to respond to claims(?!), I wonder why (apart from the safety issues inherent in the regulation), anyone would want to court the risk of an insurance company using non compliance with the cone rule to deny a claim for collision? I am amazed at the pik'n'mix attitude of so many here to whether they abide by regulations or not. I now sail in the Med and contrary to many people here, I often see motoring cones deployed - probably more often than not. (in West Med).

In my case I was not advocating non -usebut merely pointing out the apparent anomaly of having a requirement for on board equipment as per USCG rules when in real terms the said equipment is not readily available to buy and very possibly explains why in the intracoastal waterway I have yet to see one in use and yet virtually every passing sailing boat has their engine running. On the rare occasions when there is a stretch of the ICW that has a free wind to sail it is always advisable to have the engine on when passing under bridges in case of unexpected windshadow effects in the centre span transit channel where the waterway currents can be funneled and locally very strong either with or against you. I suspect at the very least folks have engines running just in case even though possibly not actually in gear. What would be very useful would be a cockpit controllable cone, pull a string and it opens or closes.

I cannot acually envisage an insurance claim incident whereby non-use of a cone could justify a claim rejection, if a boat hit another when motor sailing the fault is no different cone hoisted or not surely, i.e. PLonker pays. If the other boat were to give way unnecessarily because said plonker was actually motoring, it is an annoyance more than a shipwreck hazard or am I missing a point here.