GrahamM376
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Last time I used one was 1997 on YM exam.
Do you ever display a motoring cone?
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NUTMEG
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COLREGS mate. I don't pick and choose. I am not so arrogant as to think I know better. The way I see it, others choosing not to comply is no excuse to join them. Like I said, I try to be seamanlike. Often fail, but I do try.
If you need a definition of motor sailing, look it up.
Uricanejack
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No.
Of course I usually sail or motor. Never bother with this motor sailing *******s.
Ocasionaly when becalmed I leave the main up. The 6 knots with no wind is a bit of a give away though.
When on a power driven vessel I tend to regard a boat with sails up as a sailing vessel. I think I would drop my binoculars in shock if I ever actually saw a cone apex down in the forward part of a sail boat. Then when I recovered I would have to roast my entire crew to come and look after I turned around to go past it again.
On occasions when I see a sailing vessel heading straight into the wind or doing 6 knots with no wind. I treat as a power driven vessel.
Ie. They get 5 short and rapid if. They are on my portfolio side.
Do the same for fishing vessels doing 12 knots towards port.
If the 5 gets no response I stop or turn away. I avoid turning towards a vessel which may alter towards me.
On occasions I sail through narrow channels which have strong tides with out bothering to wait for slack.
If so I sometimes start the engine J.I.K. And leave it neutral.
Since I am continuing to sail and not using said motor despite what some folks may think. I am a sailing vessel.
And act accordingly.
Of course I usually sail or motor. Never bother with this motor sailing *******s.
Ocasionaly when becalmed I leave the main up. The 6 knots with no wind is a bit of a give away though.
When on a power driven vessel I tend to regard a boat with sails up as a sailing vessel. I think I would drop my binoculars in shock if I ever actually saw a cone apex down in the forward part of a sail boat. Then when I recovered I would have to roast my entire crew to come and look after I turned around to go past it again.
On occasions when I see a sailing vessel heading straight into the wind or doing 6 knots with no wind. I treat as a power driven vessel.
Ie. They get 5 short and rapid if. They are on my portfolio side.
Do the same for fishing vessels doing 12 knots towards port.
If the 5 gets no response I stop or turn away. I avoid turning towards a vessel which may alter towards me.
On occasions I sail through narrow channels which have strong tides with out bothering to wait for slack.
If so I sometimes start the engine J.I.K. And leave it neutral.
Since I am continuing to sail and not using said motor despite what some folks may think. I am a sailing vessel.
And act accordingly.
BlueSkyNick
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i use mine when crossing mid channel shipping lanes, for the avoidance of doubt.
After all, we do all put on our steaming light while motor sailing at night, don't we.
After all, we do all put on our steaming light while motor sailing at night, don't we.
Tidewaiter2
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Elssar, T2 available for photo ops, beer tokens accepted
Previous owner (RSthn YC)had a cone permanently rigged in fore baby stay triangle, with cleat to raise and secure easily , we continue this, even in Lake Solent, and in Chi hbr, where lack of exposure to dredgers, tugs, VLCC's and other commercial traffic leads all the lycra/goretex/testossertrone 'Lt Woly Wilson Wannabe' dinghy and keel boat racers to have zero knowledge of Col regs appilicable to confined channels.
6 months on tidal Thames would do them good!
Also Belgian, Dutch & German Maritime Police v. fussy about cones, you know:encouragement:
jerrytug
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+1 good call
Phoenix of Hamble
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Tidewaiter2
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+2 here too:encouragement:
SHUG
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What is that strange inverted cone thing??? Never seen one on a boat before.
sailorman
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i do not need a lecture sonny :encouragement:
NUTMEG
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Sonny? Bless you 
Jean
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Took an offshore yachtmaster out for assessment on another vessel, and suggested he might like to hoist a motoring cone as we were around a lot of commercial vessels, and motor sailing. As expected, he hoisted it the wrong way up!
Woodlouse
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I hoist the motoring cone as frequently as I do the anchor ball. One day I might even own an example of them.
RichardS
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AFAIK an upside down cone does not have any prescribed meaning so, in practice, what does it matter which way up it is?
Cone in foretriangle = Motorsailing. End of.
Richard
OceanSprint
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AFAIK an upside down cone does not have any prescribed meaning so, in practice, what does it matter which way up it is?
Cone in foretriangle = Motorsailing. End of.
Richard
COLREG 25e does say "conical shape, apex downwards"
And it just says " forward where it can best be seen"
westhinder
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Like most Belgian boats, ours is permanently rigged so we can hoist it in a second. Belgian maritime police insist on it being used. Friends of mine have been fined for not displaying it when they should.
When in UK or France, I tend not to use it, in order not to confuse the locals.
When in UK or France, I tend not to use it, in order not to confuse the locals.
Koeketiene
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Motoring cone = RYA exam in progress
john_morris_uk
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What's with the slightly silly inverted snobbery of not hoisting the correct day shapes, which appears to be top trumped by 'I don't even own the correct shapes'.
Once upon a time, yachtsmen and women were proud to try and act in a seamanlike way.
And yes, we normally put the correct day shapes up, (although occasionally I can get lazy about it on very short passages.) And showing the correct shapes includes when we were sailing in the Clyde, so those in those waters weren't looking and watching very carefully as we weren't the only vessel complying with IRPCS.
Once upon a time, yachtsmen and women were proud to try and act in a seamanlike way.
And yes, we normally put the correct day shapes up, (although occasionally I can get lazy about it on very short passages.) And showing the correct shapes includes when we were sailing in the Clyde, so those in those waters weren't looking and watching very carefully as we weren't the only vessel complying with IRPCS.
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blackdogsailing
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There is a motor sailor in the Solent I have seen on a few occasions. The owner motorsails a lot with both main and headsail up. He has a black painted cone on a stick which he holds up from the cockpit to a sailing vessel which would otherwise have to give way. i think it's brilliant !
Personally, I don't show the cone if I have the main up in a flat calm and am doing 6 kts. Like someone else has already said, it should be obvious ! However, as an example, motoring up Southampton Water with about 12 kts. apparent fine on the bow so the main is drawing, (we have to get back !) it is always shown.
Chris
Personally, I don't show the cone if I have the main up in a flat calm and am doing 6 kts. Like someone else has already said, it should be obvious ! However, as an example, motoring up Southampton Water with about 12 kts. apparent fine on the bow so the main is drawing, (we have to get back !) it is always shown.
Chris
slipknot
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It is never obvious that you are motoring unless you display the cone. It really pisses me off when it is left to me to alter course to allow for someone who is in effect claiming to be a sailing boat but turns out to be motoring and I shouldn't have had to. They are sitting there oblivious to the situation expecting me to guess what they are doing. At best inconsiderate , at worst misleading & dangerous.