Do Bavaria exceed CE Cat A?

its off topic still, but this looks like a very good example of what a "quality" boat might do over a "cheapo" one....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvxhQO4pw2E go to about 4mins....ouch...a Bav would be sunk after that lot :-)

Anyone that says you pay more and getting nothing extra is delusional, you may not need the "extra" that you get, but you do get it, thats for sure!
 
fireball said:
Our 2000 build says Cat A ...


Really - you don't need to worry about the keel falling off - 1 or 2 instances doesn't make it a widespread problem and iirc it was limited to the Match35 ...
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A point of order - it was the Match 42 that had the issues. To the best of my knowledge the 35 had no issues.
 
mattnj said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvxhQO4pw2E go to about 4mins....ouch...a Bav would be sunk after that lot :-)
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Actually I think Bavaria did put one of their boats through this crash test along with the Dehler and it came to no (apparent) harm. I'm sure it was somewhere in their advertising years back, or one of the German sailing mags when I lived there? Can any Bavaria "old-timers" remember and put their finger on it?
 
flaming said:
A point of order - it was the Match 42 that had the issues. To the best of my knowledge the 35 had no issues.
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I know the Match 38 had to have the hull strengthened around the keel bolts.

The version I heard is that the Match 38 was designed by Doug Peterson and the 35 & 42 scaled down/up from that. (Btw, I have no idea how much of the design he was responsible for so I would not even start to suggest he had anything to do with the hull strength issues).

I'd expect the fault in the 42 would have been mirrored in the 35 given how closely related they were.
 
bluedragon said:
Actually I think Bavaria did put one of their boats through this crash test along with the Dehler and it came to no (apparent) harm. I'm sure it was somewhere in their advertising years back, or one of the German sailing mags when I lived there? Can any Bavaria "old-timers" remember and put their finger on it?
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i think this is it:-

Bavaria after test

sorry, feeling troublesome on a Friday afternoon :-)
 
mattnj said:
i think this is it:-

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sorry, feeling troublesome on a Friday afternoon :-)
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Bit of filler, lick of paint, be a nice boat!

People are so quick to throw stuff away...
 
Ahah...so I wasn't dreaming. Anybody got more on this?

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/reviews/2001/bavaria-yachts-40-9102

Quote: PANZER TANK TESTING
Ocean-sailing aspirants will take comfort from the fact that Bavaria's hand-laid, solid-fibreglass hulls are nothing if not seaworthy. While they aren't greyhounds under sail, they provide a quick fix for cruising sailors looking to put some space between their noggins and terrestrial abodes.
As a matter of fact, Bavaria yachts have completed numerous passages.
Locally, they have sailed to Melbourne, Lord Howe, and Queensland. Pittwater charter company, Club Sail, uses Bavarias for its offshore sailing schools.
As we speak, a European owner is sailing a new 40 somewhere around the Pacific.
A Pacific odyssey (or a trip to Bowen) is something you could do in a Bavaria 40 with confidence. The company has taken a panzer tank approach to building its boats. As a test of strength, Bavaria drove one of its yachts over logs, oils barrels and then into a rock wall three, yes three, times.
The crash-test hull came away scuffed but unscathed. Then, quite by accident, a Bavaria 38 was hit by a runaway army barge in the UK. The barge T-boned the Bavaria 38, took-out two piles and cleaned-up a fixed pontoon. Prognosis? Abrasions to the yacht, nothing more.
It's this peace of mind that sees most Bavarias land in the hands of private sailors. The yachts are perfect for social cruising with a view to undertaking a serious ocean passage one day. Sure, you can race around the cans - and with so many Bavarias on the water you could end up class racing - but what these yachts do best is cruise.

Clearly Cat A does not protect them from UK Army barges !!
 
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Bavaria Match keel loss

I haven't read all the correspondence on the thread but I do remember the incident of the keel loss.
The boat in question was racing and had been involved in an under water collision with a rock the previous day with a different skipper who thought not to report the accident.
This resulted in the loss of one life, which could have been avoided had the French skipper had a conscience and had the boat inspected.
This has as far as I am aware been the only loss of keel from a Bavaria.
All the jibes are from peeps who have purchased other boats and realise they could have saved themselves thousands by buying a Bavaria.
All Bavarias are Cat. A rated no matter what size. I can vouch for their seaworthiness in a F9 in Biscay, I was pleasantly impressed!!
Buy one, you will leave other boats of similar size in your wake and have a strong well equipped boat under you.
 
Anyways... if you really wanna cause a stir... just mention "The Scottish Boat"....
 
bluedragon said:
Ahah...so I wasn't dreaming. Anybody got more on this?

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/reviews/2001/bavaria-yachts-40-9102

Quote: PANZER TANK TESTING
Ocean-sailing aspirants will take comfort from the fact that Bavaria's hand-laid, solid-fibreglass hulls are nothing if not seaworthy. While they aren't greyhounds under sail, they provide a quick fix for cruising sailors looking to put some space between their noggins and terrestrial abodes.
As a matter of fact, Bavaria yachts have completed numerous passages.
Locally, they have sailed to Melbourne, Lord Howe, and Queensland. Pittwater charter company, Club Sail, uses Bavarias for its offshore sailing schools.
As we speak, a European owner is sailing a new 40 somewhere around the Pacific.
A Pacific odyssey (or a trip to Bowen) is something you could do in a Bavaria 40 with confidence. The company has taken a panzer tank approach to building its boats. As a test of strength, Bavaria drove one of its yachts over logs, oils barrels and then into a rock wall three, yes three, times.
The crash-test hull came away scuffed but unscathed. Then, quite by accident, a Bavaria 38 was hit by a runaway army barge in the UK. The barge T-boned the Bavaria 38, took-out two piles and cleaned-up a fixed pontoon. Prognosis? Abrasions to the yacht, nothing more.
It's this peace of mind that sees most Bavarias land in the hands of private sailors. The yachts are perfect for social cruising with a view to undertaking a serious ocean passage one day. Sure, you can race around the cans - and with so many Bavarias on the water you could end up class racing - but what these yachts do best is cruise.

Clearly Cat A does not protect them from UK Army barges !!
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If Dehler can put the video on YouTube why haven't Bavaria done the same with theirs? It would be good marketing for them.
 
dt4134 said:
If Dehler can put the video on YouTube why haven't Bavaria done the same with theirs? It would be good marketing for them.
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Bit disingenuos though.... and now that Hanse is building the Dehler...
 
ANYWAY...Haydude...if you're back from lunch and can't face reading through 150 million posts on this topic since mid-day, we can summarise by saying that you'll be fine with a Cat A Bavaria so long as you avoid British Army barges, Ford Mondeos and smallpox. Hope that helps...:)

Off now to get a life...
 
photodog said:
Bit disingenuos though.... and now that Hanse is building the Dehler...
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Except that the Dehler in the video is of a much earlier generation. Dehler have been bankrupt a couple of times since, I believe, so Hanse can't really claim much credit for what an older Dehler would survive.

Whereas if Bavaria did carry out a similar test showing the video would have much more relevance to the boats they're still building.
 
That Dehler video is very impressive, the front end of that boat is certainly tough. Most manufactures
will build in added strength in the bow sections of their boats, I suspect, it makes sense, but to what degree,
who knows.

I have here three photos of my friends Bav 36 that he keeps in the South of France. The first photo shows the damage to the stern, a bit more about that later:

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This damage occurred during a freak storm that lasted nearly 24 hours. The boats, as you may well know, in the med are berthed stern too,
the forward warps are attached to either concrete blocks or a chain running the length of the berths, although pulled tight, there can still be a little give.
The jetty that the boats are berthed stern too is made of concrete built on the seabed, rather than a floating pontoon as in the UK.
If I remember correctly no marina staff could get to their office or get to check the boats for the period of the storm.

These were the conditions that prevailed for the 24 hours:

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Poor old Berty 2 was being rammed against the concrete but only sustained the damage you can see, the boat was surveyed and repaired under insurance,
the damage was only superficial. There was no damage to the cleats on the foredeck. As you can see some of the local boats had additional warps fitted, my friend was too far away to do that.
 
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