DIY submachine gun. Evening project

[BurnitBlue]

Some recent posts enquiring about security afloat have not addressed the real issue. The pirates are armed. The yachtsmen are not. The way to redress this situation is offered by many homemade designs for 9mm Submachine Guns on Google. An example below. Google diy submachine gun for alternative designs to suit your expertise. As built can be broken down to legal parts. Re assemble at sea.



www.amazon.com › ... › Antiques & Collectibles › Firearms & Weapons

The Do-it-Yourself Submachine Gun: It's Homemade, 9mm, Lightweight, Durable-And It'll Never Be On Any Import Ban Lists!: Gerard Metral: Amazon.com: ...

 

[Koeketiene]

Some recent posts enquiring about security afloat have not addressed the real issue. The pirates are armed. The yachtsmen are not. The way to redress this situation is offered by many homemade designs for 9mm Submachine Guns on Google. An example below. Google diy submachine gun for alternative designs to suit your expertise. As built can be broken down to legal parts. Re assemble at sea.



www.amazon.com › ... › Antiques & Collectibles › Firearms & Weapons

The Do-it-Yourself Submachine Gun: It's Homemade, 9mm, Lightweight, Durable-And It'll Never Be On Any Import Ban Lists!: Gerard Metral: Amazon.com: ...

Also available as a Kindle download

Just saying

 

[Gwylan]

I went and looked!

Some recent posts enquiring about security afloat have not addressed the real issue. The pirates are armed. The yachtsmen are not. The way to redress this situation is offered by many homemade designs for 9mm Submachine Guns on Google. An example below. Google diy submachine gun for alternative designs to suit your expertise. As built can be broken down to legal parts. Re assemble at sea.



www.amazon.com › ... › Antiques & Collectibles › Firearms & Weapons

The Do-it-Yourself Submachine Gun: It's Homemade, 9mm, Lightweight, Durable-And It'll Never Be On Any Import Ban Lists!: Gerard Metral: Amazon.com: ...

So, I went and looked, purely academic interest. Interesting there are a lot of used versions of the book for sale too. wonder why that is.

Must go, can hear the sirens outside and the helicopter overhead........

 

[Norman_E]

Most firearms are pretty simple in principle but need to be built to precision standards if they are to be both safe and reliable. On the counts of both barrel length and automatic fire one of those would be illegal in the UK even for an FAC holder, and only an FAC holder could buy the ammunition. For a non FAC holder making the barrel would become an illegal act as soon as the barrel was chambered to take the ammunition. Obviously the law has to allow you to possess a piece of tube, but chambering it, whether it is rifled or not, turns it into an FAC required item.

In the USA making your own firearms is both legal and surprisingly common, with enthusiasts making working black powder rifles, and even Gatling Guns, for which kits are available.

 

[Relax]

Most firearms are pretty simple in principle but need to be built to precision standards if they are to be both safe and reliable. On the counts of both barrel length and automatic fire one of those would be illegal in the UK even for an FAC holder, and only an FAC holder could buy the ammunition. For a non FAC holder making the barrel would become an illegal act as soon as the barrel was chambered to take the ammunition. Obviously the law has to allow you to possess a piece of tube, but chambering it, whether it is rifled or not, turns it into an FAC required item.

In the USA making your own firearms is both legal and surprisingly common, with enthusiasts making working black powder rifles, and even Gatling Guns, for which kits are available.

If I recall correctly it would be illegal (in the UK) to possess the barrel or any part of the "pressure bearing parts" - barrel, breach, bolt body, etc. without the requisite FAC. Machining a rifled barrel is not something for amateurs - at least that's what the man who has machined two for me tells me!

Also - a FAC holder could only purchase the ammunition if it was on his certificate - and this round (9mm parabellum) is only as far as I'm aware chambered in auto or semi-auto pistols and sub-machineguns.

 

[Koeketiene]

Also - a FAC holder could only purchase the ammunition if it was on his certificate - and this round (9mm parabellum) is only as far as I'm aware chambered in auto or semi-auto pistols and sub-machineguns.

Don't worry - in the book there are also instructions as to how to make your own ammo.

 

[BurnitBlue]

Also available as a Kindle download

Just saying

I downloaded the book for free from The Pirate Bay.

Why is the UK government so afraid of armed citizens? Rhetorical question, pretty obvious really.

The difference between USA and UK murders seems to be getting narrower, despite gun law. At least if the (newspaper reported) daily toll of knife, poisen, strangulation, beaten to death, pushed in front of a train etc etc etc can be believed. Lambs to the slaughter.

Anyway, back to boating. A submachine gun on the open sea, bounding main and all that is not illegal.

 

[AndrewB]

If you want to know how to make a gun there's a very precise description in the children's sailing classic "Bevis" (Richard Jeffries).

The two lads (sub-teens) decide they will need a musket to shoot duck to feed themselves on their Swallows & Amazons style adventure. No problem ... back in 1870.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

If I understand this correctly a husband, wife and two children are attacked by pirates. Being a practical lot the sailors grab the ready assembled and loaded sub machine guns and let rip at the pirates. The pirates are hit but in a desperate attempt to defend themselves they open up with fully automatic weapons. Tibbles the sailor's cat explodes in a red puff and the children fall down and begin to die slowly, moaning and sobbing quietly in crumpled heaps on the deck. The alternative was capture, ransom and release.

The scenario can be reworked many times such as the parents are killed and the children sold into pedophile slavery. We can even remove the children and replace them with an old couple who have nothing to lose and rework the scenario anyway we want, including divine intervention.

Personally I would hope in a pirate attack to go quietly and be bailed out at a later date. The odds of living are significantly higher than home defence.

I do know that the OP was probably tongue in cheek by the multiple use of big grin smilies.

Sub machine guns are good for near enemy fighting and laying down cover to suppress an imminent attack or allow you to establish an advantage to execute and opportunistic manoeuvre. A pirate boat will pull away sharply and fast to get clear and unless you have heavy weapons to defend from a distance then you have now created a situation where heavy weapon fire will be brought down on you from afar - epic failure to achieve your objectives.

A home made submachine gun would be very inaccurate. As pirates are likely to be very close when its decided that an attack is real then one is firmly in a close quarters situation: pump action shot gun or knives come into play then.

The problem with the shot gun in a yacht scenario is that you create a space between you and the attackers which allows both parties to adopt close quarter firing positions. The normal outcome of such situations cannot be predicted as it boils down to luck.

If you wield the knife then the whole crew have to wade in big time with knives and get very personal with the attackers. The objective is not give them room to manoeuvre weapons while killing them i.e. go berserk. If they are alongside and guns are visible you have one distinct advantage, height. Allow them to tie up and then throw yourself at the lead gunman, pushing him back as you thrust up and under the rib cage from the belly or waist, or into the neck. By this time the rest of your crew must also be lunging forward with knifes. Surprise and height, they wont be expecting it, kill them all. If there is a whole gang of them do nothing accept capture.

Teach your children how to remain invisible and be quite and then wield a knife in a deadly manner. Not being noticed is the best defence against violence, it's amazing how our egos trumpet our presence in potentially violent situations.
The best knifes have a 4" handle, with a 4 to 5" blade. The blade should be narrow and thin to allow it to easily penetrate, or at least taper to a narrow tip. Rambo style knifes take a significant amount of force to penetrate and will not go through ribs easily, unless of course you are built like Rambo.

Like most things in life, planning and the right tool used correctly is far more effective than randomness.

Anyway, its all bull for most of us, thank goodness.

 

[Relax]

Don't worry - in the book there are also instructions as to how to make your own ammo.

Fred drift............

Yes you do need the calibre on your FAC to purchase ammo...

But not to buy the cases, or very bizarrely......

The primers or powder.....

or even jacketted (non expanding) component bullets..... Just checked and you can get all these things from Rodding Armoury. (not sure how this would actually work if you walked into a Firearms Dealer and tried it though. You would hope, not)

.... and yes I do make (reload) my own ammunition - its not hard but is tedious and time consuming.

All a bit semantic really - as BOB says above I think the best course of action is avoidance of violence at all costs. I can only hit five beer cans out of ten at 20m with a carefully aimed pistol - at sea, under pressure with a leaping machine gun????

 

[Keith 66]

In the Uk such a weapon is Section 5, ie a prohibited weapon, possesion of which carries a mandatory 5 years porridge If you get caught! unless of course you get off due to pressure from the press public etc! In some countries you might get longer than that.

 

[BurnitBlue]

In the Uk such a weapon is Section 5, ie a prohibited weapon, possesion of which carries a mandatory 5 years porridge If you get caught! unless of course you get off due to pressure from the press public etc! In some countries you might get longer than that.

So pirates are not allowed to carry sub machineguns or AK47s because they are prohibited. Well that's a relief.

BlowingoldBoots is correct, I started this thread because I thought the idea of building a sub machinegun was kinda funny. The replies are even funnier.

 

[Norman_E]

If I recall correctly it would be illegal (in the UK) to possess the barrel or any part of the "pressure bearing parts" - barrel, breach, bolt body, etc. without the requisite FAC. Machining a rifled barrel is not something for amateurs - at least that's what the man who has machined two for me tells me!

Also - a FAC holder could only purchase the ammunition if it was on his certificate - and this round (9mm parabellum) is only as far as I'm aware chambered in auto or semi-auto pistols and sub-machineguns.

You are quite right that it is illegal to possess the parts you mention, but the question arises as to when a piece of tube becomes a gun barrel. According to the firearms officer I talked to when I was thinking of getting an FAC in order to make my own high powered air rifles, it becomes a barrel once it is chambered to take ammunition, and not just when it is rifled. For air rifles he thought that it becomes subject to an FAC requirement when assembled such that it is capable of producing more than 12 foot pounds of muzzle energy. If an un-chambered but rifled tube required an FAC it would make every ordinary low powered air rifle subject to certification as a firearm.

As an aside I suspect that most of the small automatic weapons of the UZI type are not rifled, as there is little point in it for any gun with a barrel of about 4 inches or less intended for short range use. If they are rifled it is probably more for show than accuracy because such a short barrel would only impart a few degrees of rotation to each round, probably insufficient to initiate a stable spin.

Look at this website to see the sort of kit you can buy in the USA. There are some excellent drawings and in some cases kits to build replicas of early firearms available in the USA.

 

[Boo2]

if the (newspaper reported) daily toll of knife, poisen, strangulation, beaten to death, pushed in front of a train etc etc etc can be believed.

They can't.

Boo2

 

[capnsensible]

They can't.

Boo2

They can.

The newspaper links I put on Scuttlebutt accurately reported my friend being shot by one robbedr then him subsequently stabbing another.

 

[Relax]

You are quite right that it is illegal to possess the parts you mention, but the question arises as to when a piece of tube becomes a gun barrel. According to the firearms officer I talked to when I was thinking of getting an FAC in order to make my own high powered air rifles, it becomes a barrel once it is chambered to take ammunition, and not just when it is rifled. For air rifles he thought that it becomes subject to an FAC requirement when assembled such that it is capable of producing more than 12 foot pounds of muzzle energy. If an un-chambered but rifled tube required an FAC it would make every ordinary low powered air rifle subject to certification as a firearm.

As an aside I suspect that most of the small automatic weapons of the UZI type are not rifled, as there is little point in it for any gun with a barrel of about 4 inches or less intended for short range use. If they are rifled it is probably more for show than accuracy because such a short barrel would only impart a few degrees of rotation to each round, probably insufficient to initiate a stable spin.

Look at this website to see the sort of kit you can buy in the USA. There are some excellent drawings and in some cases kits to build replicas of early firearms available in the USA.

You are quite correct that the barrel must be chambered before it can be considered a part of an S1 firearm - maybe I did'nt express myself correctly. Your FLO should KNOW that any air gun with more than 12 lb/ft needs an FAC.

Not really an expert on machine guns (!!) but the rifling in the barrel does more than spin the bullet - the bullet obturates (squidges - is that a word?) into the grooves to completely seal the bore. This is something that requires the machining to be very precise. Where you load a solid projectile into a smooth bore (a musket or shotgun) you need a wad of some kind to perform the same job. Doubt that would work in a machine gun - or the velocity would be very low. Large field or naval guns have a nylon (or plastic anyway) ring on the shell to do the same thing.

Anyway I'd be more than a little apprehensive about popping off live ammo through something made of gas pipe and the like.

....... mind you I did used to make guns from water pipe and fueled by bangers firing nails .......... but then I was in short trousers at the time. Does that make me a bad person?

 

[BurnitBlue]

I would bet the farm that murders are grossly under reported. After all who would report it ... the murderer perhaps (don't think so). The victim? "Excuse me officer I've just been murdered". The relatives ... "excuse me officer, our Fred didn't come home last night" "Er, missing persons first door on the right".

Murders with a gun are pretty obvious. Chemically induced heart attacks are not. It follows that a country with lots of guns in the street will utilise them more than a country that has very few available guns. This will distort the numbers of reported murders if comparisons are made. Stands to reason. QED

 

[st599]

I would bet the farm that murders are grossly under reported. After all who would report it ... the murderer perhaps (don't think so). The victim? "Excuse me officer I've just been murdered". The relatives ... "excuse me officer, our Fred didn't come home last night" "Er, missing persons first door on the right".

Murders with a gun are pretty obvious. Chemically induced heart attacks are not. It follows that a country with lots of guns in the street will utilise them more than a country that has very few available guns. This will distort the numbers of reported murders if comparisons are made. Stands to reason. QED

I doubt it distorts them enough to make up the 50 or so gun deaths in the UK to the 10,000 or so in the US.

What you actually need on a yacht is a .50 cal. The good, old pink mist maker will cut their boat in half from a couple of miles or so.

PS did you mean QEF?

 

[ChrisE]

Are you guys serious?

If you have a weapon you have to know how to use it which means training and rehearsing its use. Remember more than one yatchtie has been killed waving a weapon that they didn't know how to use.

So, are you ready?

 

[prv]

The two lads (sub-teens) decide they will need a musket to shoot duck to feed themselves on their Swallows & Amazons style adventure. No problem ... back in 1870.

At a similar age I made something akin to a musket. Copper radiator pipe with one end crimped over, and a touchhole drilled in the side. Powder was made by crushing up the engine cartridges (similar to firework rockets) for the model rocket kits that were my hobby at the time. The projectile (after a few blank firings with thick wads) was a machine screw with nuts screwed on along the whole length of it to form a solid slug. Hexagonal, of course, in a round barrel, but I always used loo paper wadding behind it to provide a seal.

It made a hell of a bang, and easily knocked holes in the stout wooden fence at the other end of the garden. I wasn't daft enough to fire it from the shoulder, though - I used the electric igniters from the model rocket kits, and let it off from the safety of the garden shed via a long wire in case of a breech explosion.

Pete