Discover the breathtaking beauty of Montenegro

Charles are you saying there will soon be no charges for yots under 12mtrs in Greece. I've already taken a jigsaw to Aqua blue to make it 11.9mtrs.
I may be going back to Greece sooner!!
We visited Montenegro last year and it wasn't too bad at under 12mtrs for one week only. I think you're less likely to be ripped of at Zelenika.
It seems like the conversion from communism to capitalism in the FYU doesn't reduce the outdated burocracy (I've forgotten how to spell that!!), the overemployment merely become self financing!!
I'm amazed to find the Nautec dining room has unencrypted wifi!
Nearly removed the rudder, wish I still had the 10lb hammer!
 
Right now we are searching for different ways to deal with high cruising permit fees. Here are some additional ideas we would like to think about (if you have additional suggestion we would appreciate them)

- Have lower berth fees to compensate for high permit fees
- In case you would consider leaving the boat for a longer period, would you register your yacht in Montenegro and thus you wouldn't be paying for permits at all?
- If we provided you with additional services (free of charges or significantly lowered costs), would you rethink of getting the cruising permit with current rates?

As for anchorage spots in Boka Bay, there aren't many places as the pass is narrow and it would represent a problem for incoming cruisers. There is a spot in the part near the town of Risan but the water is pretty deep. The only possibility would be to anchor near the entrance to the Bay. Tivat is not a good option because of the strong wind, the current and many cargo ships waiting on anchor to get into the shipyard of Bijela.

As for the bureaucracy, you don't have to worry about that because we would, as port agents, handle all the paperwork and relations with the local authorities. We want to make sure that you don't feel such influence as one of our goals is to have satisfied clients in every way. I have worked in the hospitality industry for some time and thus i have knowledge about what would make a guest happy. Other than lowered cruising fees /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

To reply to a previous post, what i meant with increasing the quality of service is to have content clients. That, of course, won't be achieved with increasing the prices but with providing a good and broad service with reasonable prices. In our project we will research the market prices not only in Croatia, but for the Western Europe as well and thus we will aim to adjust our prices so it doesn't become a rip off.
 
Croatia is getting far too expensive. Lots of cruisers leaving.


Lower Marina costs? Some cruisers simply dont want to go into marina's in the first place so no not that tempting

Reregister in montenegro - not until you are fully part of the EU and the challenges of the eternal VAT can be addressed otherwise cruising elsewhere in the EU becomes a major pain!

Now if you are in the Eu and your government will issue an official piece of paper that is EU acceptable and quite clearly states that the vessel is VAT PAID. you may well have more boats than you can handle, even at the high cruising rates /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Reregister in montenegro - not until you are fully part of the EU and the challenges of the eternal VAT can be addressed otherwise cruising elsewhere in the EU becomes a major pain!


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Montenegro in the EU /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Really, since when?

EU countries at the last count



* Austria
* Belgium
* Bulgaria
* Cyprus
* Czech Republic
* Denmark
* Estonia
* Finland
* France
* Germany
* Greece
* Hungary
* Ireland
* Italy
* Latvia
* Lithuania
* Luxembourg
* Malta
* Netherlands
* Poland
* Portugal
* Romania
* Slovakia
* Slovenia
* Spain
* Sweden
* United Kingdom

http://europa.eu/abc/european_countries/eu_members/index_en.htm
 
English, Dutch and Scandinavians - No charges
Americans - X 2
French - X 3
Germans - X 5
Welsh and Scottish - X 10

"Mature" Types ie Old Gits....- X 300
(Preferably with a Holiday Home in Wales....) /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
The charge for the DEKPA at €0.88 is derisory. The time spent going from office to office to get your tax# etc is the real pain.

Yes, the rumour is that, under pressure from the coal-face, the authorities are considering moving the DEKPA limit up to 12m. Chorus from the Port Police here is "About time too..."

I've found Kalamata an extremely friendly place and well supplied with facilities. Marina management here is pretty incompetent and the change of ownership has exacerbated things. Finally poked them into doing something about the mooring tails, saw a diver down today, putting down new ground chain.
Should have seen the face of the poor chap who had his tail come off in his hand because the shackle had corroded through.
A French charter skipper was refreshingly forthright in telling poor old Giorgio to get knotted and tied up alongside, refusing to use the ground-tails. Mind you with a 49 footer and pretty inexperienced and decrepit clients he was well justified.
I've negotiated a 10% discount for CA members who hire a scooter off Alexandros at Alfa Hire.
The Mani is well worth visiting, quite fascinating, unspoilt, vastly historic from Mycenean tholi to peel-towers only abandoned 100 years ago. The 1821 revolt against the Turks started here (in fact old Kalamata was only founded at that time).
Zakinthos is another place where you have lurking ballast at 1m down.
Got dragged into a name-day party @ Stavropigi in the Mani, had to make enormous attempts with Greek as only one English speaker there.No wonder Leigh-Fermor settled down there, he only died a few years ago aged 96. He's pretty revered under his Greek name of Michaelis.

Sorry to hear about the rudder - best unless you know for certain that there's depth to go bows-to all over rustic Greece.
 
<<Croatia is getting far too expensive. Lots of cruisers leaving>>.

Suggest Croatia is aiming squarely at the charter market. Private cruisers are just too insignificant part.

<<Lower Marina costs? Some cruisers simply dont want to go into marina's in the first place so no not that tempting>>

Croatia has first-rate, high quality, expensive marinas - Bar just can't start to compete, and the investment costs to get to Croatian standards are enormous. Additionally there are 1000s of anchorages in Croatia, in stark contrast to Montenegro where they can be counted on the fingers of two normal hands.

<<Reregister in montenegro - not until you are fully part of the EU and the challenges of the eternal VAT can be addressed otherwise cruising elsewhere in the EU becomes a major pain!>>

I think the VAT question is an enormous red-herring, but I do think that the question of re-registration would meet with out-of-hand rejection. Even though the flag is magnificently Ruritanian.

<<Now if you are in the Eu and your government will issue an official piece of paper that is EU acceptable and quite clearly states that the vessel is VAT PAID. you may well have more boats than you can handle, even at the high cruising rates>>

I think a non-sequitor, seems nimbusgb is preternaturally sensitive to VAT. A Suid-Afrikan or US boat?
 
I certainly didn't get the impression that nimbusgb was claiming Montenegro was part of the EU.The contrary he was urging them to join, no doubt under the principle of "Why do we have to suffer alone.."

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Reregister in montenegro - not until you are fully part of the EU and the challenges of the eternal VAT can be addressed otherwise cruising elsewhere in the EU becomes a major pain!


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Montenegro in the EU /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Really, since when?

EU countries at the last count



* Austria
* Belgium
* Bulgaria
* Cyprus
* Czech Republic
* Denmark
* Estonia
* Finland
* France
* Germany
* Greece
* Hungary
* Ireland
* Italy
* Latvia
* Lithuania
* Luxembourg
* Malta
* Netherlands
* Poland
* Portugal
* Romania
* Slovakia
* Slovenia
* Spain
* Sweden
* United Kingdom

http://europa.eu/abc/european_countries/eu_members/index_en.htm

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Am I mistaken in believing that two of the big charter operators have pulled out of Croatia because of high charges leading to unhappy customers?
 
Guapa, Yes. I know Montenegro is not EU yet I said when they join it would steer round the vat challenge that reregistering would cause anyone at the moment

No mine is not a US or ZA registered boat. Its Uk and vat paid. My point was that if they wanted to attract a host of boats they should get into the EU ( 2010 on ? ) and then issue a piece of paper to anyone registered there to cover VAT. It was somewhat tongue in cheek
 
absit_omen said:
Do you charge tourists when they arrive by air or land? No, I don't think so.
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actually there is a tax for bringing a car into the country and there is a daily tax for tourists (think it's currently 0.80cents) just to be in the country - we own a property there - a luxury so should be paid for.

although it's slightly annoying the point of these taxes is to put a premium on coming to use a largely environmentally unspoiled area. if this is what happens and it doesn't go the way of "free to spoil" destinations such as spain and turkey then i think it's a good thing.

yachts tend to cause pollution and the costs of cleaning up after them and minimising impact have to be covered from somewhere - although perhaps engine size, toilet facilities and number of crew would be a better way of calculating this than loa.
 
charles_reed said:
No wonder Leigh-Fermor settled down there, he only died a few years ago aged 96. He's pretty revered under his Greek name of Michaelis.
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Happily, he's not dead; I received a letter from him last year! I hope he's working on the last part of his trilogy.

To reply to Tom: the only thing that would tempt me to Montenegro by boat (much as I would like to visit) is no or very, very small cruising fee. The cruising fee in Croatia has already put me off injecting cash into the local economy (food shops, bars and restaurants), and I probably shan't be visiting at all this year.
 
I to was passing earlier on this year but didnt go even thou I wanted to because of the cost, your country is cutting off its nose to spite its face im afraid
The revenue lost to local shops restaurants far excedes the revenue gained by the tax
time to rethink i believe

Good luck
 
Croatia

I'm currently in Vrboska, Hvar on a quay on the north shore of the fjord apparently free, admittedly it's diff to use in a keeler but people do it by mooring with long lines, not many of them of course, but there is a free anchorage further out, still walkable to the very pleasant town. Which like many others on this coast is a Venetian gem. Particularly striking is the fortified church built after the last Turkish raid. My crew this year has included architects who are stunned by the profusion of Croatian medieval architecture. I did miss out Montenegro this year, the prices not justifying a short visit but to my mind Croatia and the Adriatic is the best of the Med. Better than the Windies according to some
 
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