Diesel speed boat

sealover1 said:
cheers for all the advise chaps, some interesting points made.

erm don't want a cabin again as been said I would only fill it up with boat junk again lol and I think its a waste of space, I like the extra front seating space of the bowriders, not going to be skiing or boarding as got no balance what so ever tho may tow a tube with my mates kids in it but not looking to go hugely fast . I like the sun seats on these sort of boats where I can just lie down and crash n burn in the sun lol

just a nice size good looking 4-6 seater boat with a little bit of poke will do me nicely not looking to go that fast but fast enough to have fun, diesel I get a reduced price hence the reason for wanting one

suitable" alternatives yep always willing to look but still want a diesel ;)
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Friend of mine has a 17ft bowrider on a loch in Scotland with the 1.7 diesel. He loves it...
 
sealover1 said:
Hi guys,

Been thinking about buying a Diesel speed boat but don't know the names to web search for,

would like what I think is called a bayliner bowrider 1700 Diesel but not sure what the correct model is called does anyone know??

anyways can anyone tell me the names of any bowrider Diesel speed boats so I can start looking round or mabey put a saved search on ebay and see what comes up


or if anyone got one for sale for around 6-7 grand or so let me know please, don't want nothing to big around 16-18 feet be great
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Why do you want a diesel? USA is the home of small sportsboats; the Uk asked a few dealers to put in a diesel, but they were never very popular. Dont forget you can also consider a speedboat with an outboard, too.
You really arent going to be doing many miles in an 18ft sportsboat, so, yes, a diesel "looks" cheaper to run, but the consensus is/was that it isnt worth the trouble. They were designed for petrol engines.
 
I went with a diesel sports cruiser (25' single engine) due to fuel costs but honestly, fuel is one of my smallest expenses. I've spent around £700 on fuel this year. It might have been £1000 to £1200 if I had the 5.7 V8 instead of the Yanmar diesel.

However, I reckon I paid about a £4000 premium for the diesel (which I will get most of back when I sell) so you have to factor that in. On the other hand, my boat is slower (30 knots vs 35 to 40 knots) and noisier than a petrol, and arguably costs a bit more to service.

In a small boat I'd definitely go petrol. Lots of good advise for small boat owners re fuel consumption on this site: http://www.sportsboat.co.uk/forum
 
sealover1 said:
does anyone know the difference in fuel usage between a 17 TDi and a 3-4lt petrol? I would of thought it would be loads
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I'd lose the idea of attempting to conduct the comparison as there are so many factors and just go with the thought that there are LOTS more small petrol boats out there than diesel. you'll easily find a bargain petrol boat that will more than make up for the difference in fuel costs and you're like to find a much larger range of boats to choose from too. The 3.0l petrol we had in our first boat, a Bayliner Capri 1750 bow rider, was very cheap to run and maintain. It doesn't sound like you want to go at a gazillion mph so that's the combination I'd go for rather than a 4.3l or 5.0l setup. The little Binliner was great fun too as can be seen here


In fact, we had the little 3.0l petrol in the next boat (Fletcher 19GTSC) and that performed well too. It wasn't until we got to 25ft that we up'd the engine to a 5.0l and finally a twin diesel in the current boat.
 
To hopefully drive home the points. Ebay search within the title and description returns the following:

Bowrider Diesel as the search term (0 results): http://www.ebay.co.uk/dsc/Boats-Wat...=border+diesel&_nkwusc=bowrider+diesel&_rdc=1

Bowrider petrol as the search term (11 boats): http://www.ebay.co.uk/dsc/Boats-Wat....Xbowrider+petrol&_osacat=1293&_odkw=bowrider

Bowrider as the search term (64 boats - all petrol by the look of it): http://www.ebay.co.uk/dsc/Boats-Wat....Xbowrider&_odkw=bowrider+petrol&_osacat=1293


You're severely limiting your options trying to find a small bowrider with a diesel engine installed i.e. zero on fleabay at present
 
sealover1 said:
does anyone know the difference in fuel usage between a 17 TDi and a 3-4lt petrol? I would of thought it would be loads
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Woah! Hang on...

How long can your bladder last on a tiny boat with no bog!?

A Cuddy makes far more sense if you're thinking of spending that much time on the boat.....:p
 
mlines said:
This rises to average 8 to 10 litres an hour at sea (this is an average with fast, 38 knots, speed plus stops).
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I call bull on this, unless the stops are for 45 minutes out of the hour. There is no way on this earth that anything with a 130+hp petrol inboard is going to do more than about 4mpg unless you're counting towing it with the car.

The OP is in South Devon according to his profile. He's not going to be pottering up the Thames at 5 knots.
 
PS. About 6 weeks ago there was an 18ft Diesel Speedboat located in Conway for sale advertised on Ebay. Perhaps about 50 bidders, the Auction closed at £9000 + and the listing said that it had not reached reserve. He obviously sold it as he did not reply to enquiries and did not re-list. I did not bid as I dont want a "Bowrider" as the way I drive I would fill it when I hit my first wave.
In the meantime I bought a (2003) 20ft Speedboat, with a cabin, 115 Mercury 2 Stroke with only 46 hours from new, which I have just sold (yes in a month) as I cant use it on Windemere.
Instead of buying a Diesel I would consider a boat with a 4 stroke, with low emmissions, quieter and more available.
In the meantime I am after a 25 - 28 ft Motorsailer and I missed a Fisher 25 at £16,000.
 
Nos4r2 said:
I call bull on this, unless the stops are for 45 minutes out of the hour. There is no way on this earth that anything with a 130+hp petrol inboard is going to do more than about 4mpg unless you're counting towing it with the car.

The OP is in South Devon according to his profile. He's not going to be pottering up the Thames at 5 knots.
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Call it bull if you want but that is what mine does. Over an hour your average speed is typically very slow. So at the start of the day you creep out of the harbour, obeying harbour limits. You speed up and slow down with conditions (its rarely flat smooth), so your time at flat out speeds is quite short.

So we did around 60 miles the other day, and put in around 60 litres. so thats around 4.5 miles per gallon, which is what you said.

I quoted it as litres per hour and said it was between 8 and 10 litres per hour average burn rate at sea. At 10 litres per hour thats 6 hours. We were out from 10 am to 4pm - so we are both correct and its not bull.

Martin
 
yeh I know its by far harder to find the diesel bowriders but there are about seen a really nice one last summer for around £6500 but never had the funds then, I can only go up to max of 6m as the mooring I got coming soon is only up to that

I really do have to watch the fuel costs though as not on a big income if I thought I could afford a petrol 3L or 4.3 belive me I would rather have one of them as theres far more choice out there and better deals to be had,

be handy to know what the 3L or 4.3L mpg do at cruising speed in calmish waters compared to the diesel
 
The 5.0 mpi V8 petrol in my 21 foot bowrider uses about 30litres per hour at approx 25mph.

Ps - it is for sale.
 
boat.JPGi have a 1.7 turbo diesel yeah they have there problems . yes i paid a bit more for it i paid £22000 were a petrol was about £18000 7 years ago.
when it comes to fuel running its amazing i can go out all day pulling toys skiing general messing about on the river for £20 this this buying red diesel from our local morrisons for £90p litre
it was only this year i thought the fuel gauge was broken as it kept say its still full after a 2 small outings so i checked it and it was working just not used much fuel .
she will do 40 mph flat out with two people now thats not bad for a diesel and at this price i can put up with the engine been a bit louder
 
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