Alistairr
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260php, I was amazed also, but when the mechanic connected his computer too it , thats what he got.
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Diesel / Petrol ? in a 22ft boat
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Happy1
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Sorry I didn't mean yachts, but the American type boats I am looking at, all I have seen even up to some 28ft are Cat C. I have had great fun in a 21ft, but I wouldn't attempt going to the CI's in it, I would even be concerned with a 24ft er as that is not that much bigger. I guess the problem with the boats I am looking at are that they are the value for money American ones with one engine and petrol at that, the range is limited so no room for error on some trips. There are great seaworthy 24ft boats as you say, but in my price range, and the 24ft ers I have been looking at I haven't seen one that could be classed as an offshore cruiser.
Just out of interest what would people suggest is the minimum size and spec for a boat that could be trusted to go to the CI's unaccompanied? It seems that if that is my plan I may have to start looking 2nd hand.
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Just out of interest what would people suggest is the minimum size and spec for a boat that could be trusted to go to the CI's unaccompanied? It seems that if that is my plan I may have to start looking 2nd hand.
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Happy1
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I have only been looking at Petrol, and all have been C cat, I would be looking at going to the CI's and cruising Northern France. Getting petrol on the South coast can be a pain, but the diesel option price is frightening to say the least /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
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Happy1
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I like the versatility of a smaller boat with trailer, but when you get to a certain size and the price of trailers e.t.c. creeps up, then you have to work out the economics of it all. When you look at diesel options it all gets rather costly & serious, I am trying to be convinced that diesel is the way to go, and if it is, and you are committed to one marina without costly transport fees, then a boat a few feet longer is not going to cost that much more. There seems to be more that you can do with a 28ft or 30ft compared to a 24ft, having not experienced the difference, I am trying to find out and decide what to do. I could have a bigger petrol for the same price as a smaller diesel, but what is the formula?
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Happy1
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Al, it was you that got me thinking about the 5.0MPI with BIII, I am looking at 5.0Gxi DP which is similar, but the diesel price is an unbelievable extra cost on the little boat I am looking at. I guess you are always limited by the fuel tank, so with what I want to do I am looking for a boat that can do it comfortably, I am not saying some smaller ones can't, but I don't ever want to be on my last Gallon in the middle of the channel /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
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Happy1
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Now that price difference is appealing, but where the hell do they get £9,300 from ON TOP of the price of a 5.0L ? Can you imagine paying to have TWO swopped, the price I was given is at point of new sale, not a re fit.
As for my question, I guess I am at the low end with a 22ft re what I can do, and it's capabilities as a Cat C, I can see the benefits in a more seaworthy boat, but that costs more bucks, so a difficult choice if you want to keep in a budget.
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Now that price difference is appealing, but where the hell do they get £9,300 from ON TOP of the price of a 5.0L ? Can you imagine paying to have TWO swopped, the price I was given is at point of new sale, not a re fit.
As for my question, I guess I am at the low end with a 22ft re what I can do, and it's capabilities as a Cat C, I can see the benefits in a more seaworthy boat, but that costs more bucks, so a difficult choice if you want to keep in a budget.
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sealine
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My last boat was a 5ltr cuddy caddy petrol, the cost of filling her up after a days runabout would be around £80-90, last year I got a 23ft diesel. doing the same runs cost less than £15? I still get that smug feeling when I fill up now £38 for a full tank, and when I had my petrol £140. I agree with the forget payback, i just enjoy the longer range and comfort of the diesel boat with a cabin and galley. rather than the cuddy cabin.
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Happy1
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That is my point exactly. I see the diesel bills for much bigger boats, and they walk away from the fuel pontoon smiling! I guess it is just biting the bullet and paying out the money up front, then enjoying the rewards each time you fill up. I just need to decide if that is the route, what size is worthwhile, the extra cost would certainly limit me to what would be available petrol wise, that is my other concern.
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Eightpots
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Can I suggest that you stop looking at the boats capabilities and look at your own. My Four Winns is only 26 odd feet. Its got a 7.4mpi merc. The boat is more than capable of trips to France/CI.
I've often beeen across in company with smaller boats. The smallest being a 17 ft Quayline who's engine was a 40hp outboard.
Don't take the RCD cat's as gospel. They are there as a guide. What cat do you see yourself as. What experience have you had in what waters and what weather conditions.
The petrol diesel option. I can honestly say that if I were to change the boat again I would go the diesel route. For no other reason than that its easier to find a waterside filling outlet.
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I've often beeen across in company with smaller boats. The smallest being a 17 ft Quayline who's engine was a 40hp outboard.
Don't take the RCD cat's as gospel. They are there as a guide. What cat do you see yourself as. What experience have you had in what waters and what weather conditions.
The petrol diesel option. I can honestly say that if I were to change the boat again I would go the diesel route. For no other reason than that its easier to find a waterside filling outlet.
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BrendanS
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someone had to say it.
Only thing I'd disagree on is petrol vs diesel, you can always find outlets or carry sufficient on board, but that's a whole other subject
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Only thing I'd disagree on is petrol vs diesel, you can always find outlets or carry sufficient on board, but that's a whole other subject
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Happy1
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My experience is pretty limited bad weather wise so I have to look at the boats capabilities, no good if we are both crap /forums/images/icons/wink.gif. I have just been guided by people who have reminded me that my boat is a day boat and only Cat C. I enjoy the rough stuff and have had some fun in the Solent, but have to be aware of my limitations experience and fuel wise.
I am in a difficult situation and only have limited options, it is hard to explain or should I say not possible to explain just yet. All I know is that £9,300 is a hell of a lot of money to pay for a diesel boat I may only keep for a year or so. I have spent an hour nearly on the phone tonight with an experienced forum member and have decided now to go petrol and stay at 22ft. The diesel option is not justified on that particular boat and my circumstances. I guess I will just have to join the petrol can and credit card gang if I venture on longer trips /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
Thanks for all the advise, I will be looking forward to exploring the South Coast next year with a couple of extra feet and a more powerful engine to play with. (Just the £3,700 or so quoted for the bigger snipe trailer to take the 2,000kg that 's the bummer)
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I am in a difficult situation and only have limited options, it is hard to explain or should I say not possible to explain just yet. All I know is that £9,300 is a hell of a lot of money to pay for a diesel boat I may only keep for a year or so. I have spent an hour nearly on the phone tonight with an experienced forum member and have decided now to go petrol and stay at 22ft. The diesel option is not justified on that particular boat and my circumstances. I guess I will just have to join the petrol can and credit card gang if I venture on longer trips /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
Thanks for all the advise, I will be looking forward to exploring the South Coast next year with a couple of extra feet and a more powerful engine to play with. (Just the £3,700 or so quoted for the bigger snipe trailer to take the 2,000kg that 's the bummer)
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whisper
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Aaah !! A computer created the figure, that explains it !!/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif It does seem to be about half the consumption of any other similar boat that I've read about.
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Alistairr
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I keep a record of my hours everytime i fill her up, and when i work out how much fuel i've put in with the hours i did on that fill, then i know what GPH i'm getting.
And it usually works out between 4-5GPH, Which i think is great, My last boat was a115outboard, and i recon, i was using about 10-12GPH, so when we traded up this year the dealer saysFuel consuption should be better, But i didn't think it would be that good.
I think its something to do with the new generation MPI, engines.
Does anyone else out there have a MPI? And what Fuel consuption are you getting?
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And it usually works out between 4-5GPH, Which i think is great, My last boat was a115outboard, and i recon, i was using about 10-12GPH, so when we traded up this year the dealer saysFuel consuption should be better, But i didn't think it would be that good.
I think its something to do with the new generation MPI, engines.
Does anyone else out there have a MPI? And what Fuel consuption are you getting?
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Alistairr
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I keep a record of my hours everytime i fill her up, and when i work out how much fuel i've put in with the hours i did on that fill, then i know what GPH i'm getting.
And it usually works out between 4-5GPH, Which i think is great, My last boat was a115outboard, and i recon, i was using about 10-12GPH, so when we traded up this year the dealer saysFuel consuption should be better, But we didn't think it would be this good.
I think its something to do with the new generation MPI, engines.
Does anyone else out there have a MPI? And what Fuel consuption are you getting?
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And it usually works out between 4-5GPH, Which i think is great, My last boat was a115outboard, and i recon, i was using about 10-12GPH, so when we traded up this year the dealer saysFuel consuption should be better, But we didn't think it would be this good.
I think its something to do with the new generation MPI, engines.
Does anyone else out there have a MPI? And what Fuel consuption are you getting?
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KevB
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Don't forget to add into your equation the resale value. A diesel will almost always sell quicker and will always get a higher value. So the initial extra cost is mostly recouped when you resale but you have gained the cheaper boating in between.
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hlb
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Not quite sure you can work it out that way. So you start her up. check watch. Have a cup of tea. Mosey down the river for an hour. Blast across the Solent or where ever for half an hour, then tootle up some other river, before checking second finger and switching off. Mine burns far less than yours by that method..../forums/images/icons/smile.gif
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KevB
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Don't forget to add into your equation the resale value. A diesel will almost always sell quicker and will always get a higher value. So the initial extra cost is mostly recouped when you resale but you have gained the cheaper boating in between.
Diesel works much better where water is involved and if you're buying a boat with a single engine reliabilty is everything. If you lose all your electrics a diesel will still run, show a petrol engine a cup of water and it wont start for a week in protest...
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Diesel works much better where water is involved and if you're buying a boat with a single engine reliabilty is everything. If you lose all your electrics a diesel will still run, show a petrol engine a cup of water and it wont start for a week in protest...
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Alistairr
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The way i try and work it is,
If i leave the marina with a full tank, Sail for say a total of 7hrs then fill her up again with probably 150litres,
150 litres converts to 33.03 gallons(4.54L to a Gallon)
33.03 divided by 7hrs=
=4.71 Gallons Per Hour.
I am not exactly sure how many litres i would use in 7hrs, i am using 150litres as an example.
Press correct me if i'm wrong,Hadyn, as you are one person on here that i value their opinions.
Cheers..
Alistair..
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If i leave the marina with a full tank, Sail for say a total of 7hrs then fill her up again with probably 150litres,
150 litres converts to 33.03 gallons(4.54L to a Gallon)
33.03 divided by 7hrs=
=4.71 Gallons Per Hour.
I am not exactly sure how many litres i would use in 7hrs, i am using 150litres as an example.
Press correct me if i'm wrong,Hadyn, as you are one person on here that i value their opinions.
Cheers..
Alistair..
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tico
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Just a hint but but if you are looking for a seaworthy boat, perhaps the first thing to consider is who designed the hull.... look for Bernard Olisinski, Don Shead, Nelson etc rather than some of the American hulls designed for flat water. Rather than just the size. I'd rather be in a Bernard O 26' than a 35' Carver in rough seas.
Also why dont you look at the S/H market, plenty of boats there suitable for cross channel
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Also why dont you look at the S/H market, plenty of boats there suitable for cross channel
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Happy1
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Thanks for that Kev, I looked at the resale and what is so odd is that there are NO Larsons for sale anywhere in the UK and hardly abroad, never mind a 220 Cabrio with a diesel. The £9,300 would never be recouped IMHO, unless you were to keep the boat for 6 - 10 yrs. I don't know what my future boating will be, as I had planned to move up 5ft a year, but don't really feel ready for the first jump yet (as I enjoy being able to boat alone as well, to get even more experience), and I had even though of skipping 24/25 and going straight to 28/29 in my next move. I am in a situation that is forcing me to change boats, I can't get what I have got already, and my new options are very limited by having to stay with the same manufacturer, that is what is so annoying and restrictive. In my heart I want a diesel, but the suitable boat is not there for it.
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