Demand for moorings plummeting?

[Babylon]

This is easy to torpedo...

1. Destruction of the mutual banking sector in the UK.
2. Also known as Building Society demutualization.
3. Also known as a get rich quick scam.
4. Also known as Northern Rock.
5. Also known as the trigger for the first run on a British bank in 150 years all played out in realtime on the worlds media.

You're still not thinking in four dimensions.

It is facile to blame an entire generation or lionise a previous one. Britain was once hugely powerful and wealthy, but the increasing pace of technology and development of nationalism and self-determination from the late 19th Century meant it simply couldn't last. How it played out on the ground was then just a question of luck and personalities. In the end we were compelled to sacrifice empire to rid Europe of Nazism. Everything since has been an 'adjustment' (socialist re-distribution, arms-race driven growth, drug-culture, inflation, popular capitalism, etc) but ever more bound up and subject to factors well beyond the control of any generation.

Those whose heads are currently popping up Antipodean backsides are gambling on a fabulous future... but the working lives of the current younger generation and their followers will increasingly resemble their counterparts in sweatshops in China, Brazil, India, if not Victorian Britain.

And all while the storms of climate change rage.

Happy 2018

 

[Capt. Clueless]

I think there is also a big upsurge in Power rib ownership, rather than wind assisted, especially among younger people. Keep it at home, tow it to wherever, launch it, and have a good fun blast with a monster Mercury hanging off the back. Although my Nephews come from a sailing family (well Father at least, and ex instructor) both have opted for power ribs, and their children love the rush too. The RIBS & SIBS page on Facebook is very well attended. Trends are changing, I believe, where youngsters don't want to just drift about at a few knots. Where they have their holiday caravan, all their fellow friend caravan owners have power ribs.

 

[Blue Sunray]

Where we 60 somethings obviously failed was in educating young jonjo8 in English grammar. Remove the apostrophe from "Nazi's" and insert one instead in "Dads". It does make a difference to the meaning.

:encouragement:

 

[RupertW]

I think there is also a big upsurge in Power rib ownership, rather than wind assisted, especially among younger people. Keep it at home, tow it to wherever, launch it, and have a good fun blast with a monster Mercury hanging off the back. Although my Nephews come from a sailing family (well Father at least, and ex instructor) both have opted for power ribs, and their children love the rush too. The RIBS & SIBS page on Facebook is very well attended. Trends are changing, I believe, where youngsters don't want to just drift about at a few knots. Where they have their holiday caravan, all their fellow friend caravan owners have power ribs.

And where they do want a floating caravan it has to be big, comfortable, in a hot climate sailing from one swimming pool to another to party. In the Med we see a lot of young people in an atmosphere where loud music from the cockpit in the marina til 4 am is normal and they sail (often quite well) from one spot to another and have a great time crowded 10 to a boat.

So the appeal of an old 25 footer going from one muddy creek to another doesn't appeal to many as they can sail for weeks every year with friends. And there are thousands of them who I guess might otherwise be sailing at home.

 

[Normalfornorfolk]

If indeed demand for moorings is "plummeting" where are the plethora of discounted places in these half-empty marinas, harbours and rivers?
I'd very much like to know, cos they aren't around here.

 

[jonjo8]

Was it really necessary to write and post this? It seems irrelevant to the thread and, personally, I find it distasteful and quite rude.

I find your generation's role in screwing up the lives of 10 of millions of young Britons to be more offensive by orders of magnitude. It is an incontrovertible fact that private yacht ownership among the under 40's is plummeting in the UK and due to become an historical footnote.

Anyhow the person targeted in my post that you find offensive, comprehended my point and issued a clarification. Why would you find a post that raises an historically correct point, offensive? I find it offensive that the Boomers who did little more than corvort through life from Freshwater Bay in 1968 to Cunard's Queen Mary in 2017, now seem to think they are the rightful owners of residual largesse for winning WWII.

 

[jonjo8]

It is facile to blame an entire generation or lionise a previous one.

Do you also direct this advice to the grumpy Boomers here ever so trigger happy to dismiss falling yachting participation as a consequence of lack of moral fibre among young Britons?

 

[Tranona]

Do you also direct this advice to the grumpy Boomers here ever so trigger happy to dismiss falling yachting participation as a consequence of lack of moral fibre among young Britons?

How many actually do that? Read the contributions again and you will see that the majority identify with the socio economic conditions that make sailing unattractive to the younger generation - at least in the same way as what you call boomers experienced. The cane lovers are a tiny minority.

Unfortunately you have to be a boomer to both experience what actually happened in the post war years and appreciate why conditions are different now. If you have not lived in both periods there is a tendency to only see things from one perspective. A big advantage for older people is that they have the benefit of knowing where their parents came from and how they lived which makes them appreciate how little the next generations have to complain about.

 

[Skylark]

Silly me, I forgot that the 60 somethings here personally waded ashore with General Montgomery on Gold & Sword beaches then chased the Nazi's all the way to the Rhine. Now where is my Dads Army boxed dvd set.

........Why would you find a post that raises an historically correct point, offensive?

Vitriolic nonsense.

 

[Nina Lucia]

I know at least three or four sailing clubs that have few swinging moorings available...
if anyone needs more information, please pm me, more than happy to share....
I do remember few years ago it was almost impossible to join the Yacht Club or sailing club if you don’t leave in the area of 10/15 miles radius and than there is a waiting list... Now is more than instant, join the club, pay the fees and choose the mooring.

 

[jac]

If indeed demand for moorings is "plummeting" where are the plethora of discounted places in these half-empty marinas, harbours and rivers?
I'd very much like to know, cos they aren't around here.

Hamble waiting lists are falling - lots of offers in the Marinas there. Quite a change from "Squeezing them till the pips squeak"

 

[rotrax]

I find your generation's role in screwing up the lives of 10 of millions of young Britons to be more offensive by orders of magnitude. It is an incontrovertible fact that private yacht ownership among the under 40's is plummeting in the UK and due to become an historical footnote.

Anyhow the person targeted in my post that you find offensive, comprehended my point and issued a clarification. Why would you find a post that raises an historically correct point, offensive? I find it offensive that the Boomers who did little more than corvort through life from Freshwater Bay in 1968 to Cunard's Queen Mary in 2017, now seem to think they are the rightful owners of residual largesse for winning WWII.

You really are a sad and deluded misery.

Life is tough. Life, for most, has always been tough.

I am a post war child, born in 1947, rationing still ongoing for some things.

When you have worked 90 hour weeks, including changing clutches in the street outside your rented home in freezing winter weather to get the deposit together for a house, rebuilding damaged motorbikes to sell on, working to the early hours each night, partner working 3 jobs every week, then you can tell me what an easy priveleged life I have led.

Everything I have, I've grafted for.

My brother, same life beginings, education and choices as me does not have a pot to piss in. His life changed dramaticaly when, as a young man, he discovered beer and crumpet.

You get out of life what you put in to it.

To suggest that I, in any way, have acted in a way that has restricted the life oppertunities of following generations is fatuous.

By dint of my and First Mates efforts we have a reasonable retirement income, a nice boat and a few other toys.

We have also kickstarted our two sons property ownership and perhaps instilled in them the right parameters to lead their lives.

In life I have seen grafters fail, tosspots succeed, and good people fall through the cracks.

And it was ever thus, all the way through recorded history.

You, as they say in Dublin, are a figment of your own imagination..................................................

 

[Daydream believer]

If indeed demand for moorings is "plummeting" where are the plethora of discounted places in these half-empty marinas, harbours and rivers?
I'd very much like to know, cos they aren't around here.

Google "www.stlawrencefairwaycommittee.com" River Blackwater £ 120-00 per annum all tide moorings

 

[Bobc]

Motor boat sales are on the up. There appears to be a general move to "leisure boating" (i.e. drive down to the marina, go for a blast, have lunch at a nice pub, back to the marina, drinks in the marina bar, drive home).

Dinghy sailing is on the slide and sailing club membership is struggling.

Sailing does not fit with the new lifestyle, and nor do moorings that you have to dinghy to.

 

[Resolution]

You really are a sad and deluded misery.

Life is tough. Life, for most, has always been tough.

I am a post war child, born in 1947, rationing still ongoing for some things.

When you have worked 90 hour weeks, including changing clutches in the street outside your rented home in freezing winter weather to get the deposit together for a house, rebuilding damaged motorbikes to sell on, working to the early hours each night, partner working 3 jobs every week, then you can tell me what an easy priveleged life I have led.

Everything I have, I've grafted for.

My brother, same life beginings, education and choices as me does not have a pot to piss in. His life changed dramaticaly when, as a young man, he discovered beer and crumpet.

You get out of life what you put in to it.

To suggest that I, in any way, have acted in a way that has restricted the life oppertunities of following generations is fatuous.

By dint of my and First Mates efforts we have a reasonable retirement income, a nice boat and a few other toys.

We have also kickstarted our two sons property ownership and perhaps instilled in them the right parameters to lead their lives.

In life I have seen grafters fail, tosspots succeed, and good people fall through the cracks.

And it was ever thus, all the way through recorded history.

You, as they say in Dublin, are a figment of your own imagination..................................................

Very well put.

 

[fearmhuir]

You, as they say in Dublin, are a figment of your own imagination..................................................

+1
Born 1948 - worked hard for everything I ever had

 

[mainsail1]

Very well put.

Rotrax+1

 

[Tranona]

To be fair to jonJo8 he is only repeating (without being critical) a line of argument used by some sections of the political establishment to explain the current housing problem. It is convenient for them to do this as it deflects attention from the real reasons, which are little to do with the actions of individuals (as he implies).

This line ignores the impact of the massive increase in population in the last 20 years, which is mainly the result of policies implemented by the very people who now want to blame it all on the postwar "baby boomers". Add in the changes in society that have led to more "family" units requiring housing, increased life expectancy and more recently the increase in birth rates (mainly from migrants) and low interest rates it is not a surprise that house prices rise. Housing supply is almost fixed in the short term and demand is constantly rising.

Despite all this the overall standard of living of today's younger generation is vastly superior than that of the 1950-70s when the derided boomers were their age. They just spend their discretionary income on different things. As I suggested earlier, the problem with younger people is that they have only lived in times of plenty with expectations of more to come, so have no experience of where the plenty came from nor a connection with a time when there was no "plenty".

 

[CLB]

I'm generation X, so possibly more jonjo's age than many others in here. The way I see it is that the boomers had a tough early part of life, followed by a good later life. The former caused by post war poverty, the latter by booming house prices and gold plate pensions.

My generation and later I see as having a good quality early life, followed by a tough later life with expensive housing and falling pensions. No generation has had it good throughout their whole life. You have to make the best of what you get.

 

[Capt Popeye]

You really are a sad and deluded misery.

Life is tough. Life, for most, has always been tough.

I am a post war child, born in 1947, rationing still ongoing for some things.

When you have worked 90 hour weeks, including changing clutches in the street outside your rented home in freezing winter weather to get the deposit together for a house, rebuilding damaged motorbikes to sell on, working to the early hours each night, partner working 3 jobs every week, then you can tell me what an easy priveleged life I have led.

Everything I have, I've grafted for.

My brother, same life beginings, education and choices as me does not have a pot to piss in. His life changed dramaticaly when, as a young man, he discovered beer and crumpet.

You get out of life what you put in to it.

To suggest that I, in any way, have acted in a way that has restricted the life oppertunities of following generations is fatuous.

By dint of my and First Mates efforts we have a reasonable retirement income, a nice boat and a few other toys.

We have also kickstarted our two sons property ownership and perhaps instilled in them the right parameters to lead their lives.

In life I have seen grafters fail, tosspots succeed, and good people fall through the cracks.

And it was ever thus, all the way through recorded history.

You, as they say in Dublin, are a figment of your own imagination..................................................

Very well put.

+1
Born 1948 - worked hard for everything I ever had

Humm, well that's reassuring then, thought that we were the only ones that led a life like that, glad to know some others did the same ?