Dehler 35/37 CWS.... modern equivalent??

[flaming]

That's what I suspected, and it's where the Dehler CWS system on mine differs, because she was never designed to be raced.

I have only 2 coaming winches, one either side (not in front) of the wheel, and they handle the following control lines. Starboard side: Main halyard, mainsheet, jibsheet, furling line. Port: Reefs 1 & 2 (single line), jibsheet.

This means I stay behind the wheel for almost sail management. The 100% jib is virtually self tacking, sheeting inside the shrouds on track cars on the coachroof.

The winches on the coachroof handle all other lines and are maybe used 3 or 4 times in a season when the cruising chute is deployed (I dump the main in gusts with the sheet, not the rod boomvang).

I can see why the new boats have the additional coaming winches, as they are all fast and may be raced, which requires genoas and kites etc. and the builders fit them to address that market.

One or two D35CWS' have been raced, but they're not designed as such and need modification (no genoa tracks, no genoa winches).

As I said in my ealier post, some of the larger sisters (37, 41DS, 43) have the same layout because they are designed for cruising.

So I'm still stuck for something on which to splash the kid's inheritance.

I suspect that the reason the CWS system dissapeared after a while was that it solved a problem that wasn't really there - and added in quite a lot of friction.
For example, on My dad's Dufour 40 - also designed solely with cruising in mind, the only lines that you list that are dealt with at the companionway are the main halyard and the reefing lines. And to be honest, the companionway is the ideal place for this, as you can wedge yourself in and benefit from the sprayhood.
The Genoa winches are then within reach of the helm, as is the furling line.

 

[rudolph_hart]

I suspect that the reason the CWS system dissapeared after a while was that it solved a problem that wasn't really there - and added in quite a lot of friction.
For example, on My dad's Dufour 40 - also designed solely with cruising in mind, the only lines that you list that are dealt with at the companionway are the main halyard and the reefing lines. And to be honest, the companionway is the ideal place for this, as you can wedge yourself in and benefit from the sprayhood.
The Genoa winches are then within reach of the helm, as is the furling line.

I see your point flaming, but I don't need/want to leave the helm to go and wedge myself in the companionway to hoist or reef the main. I sit behind the wheel, take a couple of turns round the winch, into the self tailer and press the tit on the electric winch while watching the sail. I can't see the sail hidden under the sprayhood (although I might get a bit wetter in certain conditions ).

As for friction, there's very little added, as the lead is pretty straight from the mast tidy on the coachroof through the galleries to the winch.

As you can see, I'm pretty loth to lose this capability when modernising.

 

[flaming]

I see your point flaming, but I don't need/want to leave the helm to go and wedge myself in the companionway to hoist or reef the main. I sit behind the wheel, take a couple of turns round the winch, into the self tailer and press the tit on the electric winch while watching the sail. I can't see the sail hidden under the sprayhood (although I might get a bit wetter in certain conditions ).

As for friction, there's very little added, as the lead is pretty straight from the mast tidy on the coachroof through the galleries to the winch.

As you can see, I'm pretty loth to lose this capability when modernising.

Each to their own. I suspect that you could fairly easily get the halyards lead to the Primaries on many boats, at a cost.
One thing to mention now is that many boats are now pretty beamy at the helm area, and I don't think it would be especially convinient to have the Halyard on one side, and the reefing lines on the other for example - as you'd have a lot of clambering to do between them. Wheras in the companionway both are in easy reach.
Might be the case that a good solution for one era of boat does not necessarily work for the next era.

 

[rudolph_hart]

Each to their own. I suspect that you could fairly easily get the halyards lead to the Primaries on many boats, at a cost.
One thing to mention now is that many boats are now pretty beamy at the helm area, and I don't think it would be especially convinient to have the Halyard on one side, and the reefing lines on the other for example - as you'd have a lot of clambering to do between them. Wheras in the companionway both are in easy reach.
Might be the case that a good solution for one era of boat does not necessarily work for the next era.

Yes, reefing does require a bit of thought. I drop the halyard first - I deliberately overdo it(i.e slightly too much). Then I slide over to wind in the reef, then slide back to retension the halyard.

You're right about the beam of many modern boats (see my comments earlier ref the Hanse 385)

 

[Bosun Higgs]

So I'm still stuck for something on which to splash the kid's inheritance.

As Solent boy has said, you can always add the electric bits and pieces to a non electric boat. You can even add in msat furling if you want. To my mind the biggest problem would will have is in finding a sea kindly hull since that isnt compatible with one large double stern cabin let alone two. And you will also struggle with over light displacements since weight = cost.

Mind you if like Rudolph " something with a larger fornicatorium, as our aft cabin is a bit low on headroom in places. you have unusual habits you might be less concerned about a lightweight boat that bounces around a bit. It might even be helpful.