Defective Anchors - beware imitations

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but that cannot always be relied upon

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Bit like good old fashion Blake's seacocks can't either...

Seacock failure

which could take the most bombproof of ocean going keelboats down to the bottom in short time. There's not much that can be relied upon.


I don't believe that there are good boats and bad boats, safe equipment or dangerous. It's all about knowing your boat and its kit, understanding its limitations, and never trusting anything totally.
 
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but that cannot always be relied upon

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Bit like good old fashion Blake's seacocks can't either...

Seacock failure

which could take the most bombproof of ocean going keelboats down to the bottom in short time. There's not much that can be relied upon.

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Granted but a sailing boat that cannot take a reasonable grounding? I'm afraid that it would just limit my possibility's to much /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
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On the contrary,it's because I take risks & the consequences of touching the bottom with one of those flimsy race machines dos'nt bare thinking about.

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Erm - I suggest you aren't taking risks then .... but I have to assume you can't read a chart or look at the depth gauge - how do you sail in the solent - sail until you hit the bottom then tack?!
 
Oh - so trimarans are only ok in good weather .... so they don't go round the world through the southern ocean particularly well??
Why don't you forget AWB bashing cos you're crap at it .... get back to discussing the anchor that failed.
 
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I don't believe that there are good boats and bad boats, safe equipment or dangerous. It's all about knowing your boat and its kit, understanding its limitations, and never trusting anything totally.

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That anchor certainly looked like dangerous equipement to me & I can't help admiring a beautiful boat just as I admire a beautiful woman......Somehow it is just fit for purpose.
 
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That anchor certainly looked like dangerous equipement to me

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You sound like a Smug Git who seems to think he knows all there is to know about everything ...

No anchor is dangerous in itself - it is what it is used for and in what conditions that could make it dangerous... you can anchor a boat to a mud weight if in the right conditions/location ...

Thanks to the OP for highlighting areas of concern with ALL anchors and the importance of inspecting even the most mundane bits of kit on the boat.
 
Ok, just need this clearing up... should I swap my anchor because it looks just like that one and might fail... or should I not be arsed because my keel is probably gonna fall off and I will either drown or the mast will act as a perfectly good anchor....

If you guys could come up with a consensus as to what action I should take that would be a relief.

(More staples maybe?)

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Ok, just need this clearing up... should I swap my anchor because it looks just like that one and might fail... or should I not be arsed because my keel is probably gonna fall off and I will either drown or the mast will act as a perfectly good anchor....

If you guys could come up with a consensus as to what action I should take that would be a relief.

(More staples maybe?)

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Right - if you are going to be serious anchoring, then nothing short of a proper drop forged CQR is good enough. I have a Plastimo cast job - its now in the garden and I tie the dog to it. Mind you, I wouldn't have a CQR on board - but thats another arguement for another day.......

A safe anchor is about the quality of the steel and the quality of the welding.

If it is cheap, it mught fall under the usual rule, that you gets what you pays for. Thats fine if all you are using it for is lunch time anchoring.....
 
Blimey Fireball - slow down on the poor guy!!!

I think I understand what he means in some respects. We all can make a mistale as one time or other. Now in some boats a heavy grounding would be slightly (to say the least) detrimental to the integrity of the hull. I of course never make mistakes, but on one rare exception, we ran aground between Chichester bar beacon and Langstone when we were in fog, doing our usual course. We hit a steep sand bank that wasn't there and stopped dead at 7 knots. No damage what so ever was done, as it was a long keeled heavy weight (apart from my pride that is) ANY WAY it was all SWIMBO's fault as she had put a cast iron caserole down by the compass....... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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If it is cheap, it mught fall under the usual rule, that you gets what you pays for. Thats fine if all you are using it for is lunch time anchoring.....

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Oh, do get a grip you pompous goon.

Three reinforcing rods welded into a grapple form a perfect adequate anchor for some sea beds at a cost of £0.
 
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If it is cheap, it mught fall under the usual rule, that you gets what you pays for. Thats fine if all you are using it for is lunch time anchoring.....

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Oh, do get a grip you pompous goon.

Three reinforcing rods welded into a grapple form a perfect adequate anchor for some sea beds at a cost of £0.

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So charming....
 
He asked for it!! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Anyway - hitting the bottom at a fair few knots doesn't damage an AWB - unless you take repeated runs at it ....

and yes - I've had my fair share of mishaps - including an instructor saying we're fine for depth between ryde and west pole - guess which sands we hit!!
 
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Anyway - hitting the bottom at a fair few knots doesn't damage an AWB - unless you take repeated runs at it ....



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I think you will find that on the high aspect ratio keels, for example the recent Dufours, that the stress at the back of the keel is so excessive on groundings that major damage can result from a single incident. However there are so many advantages in relation to sailing performance of these high aspect ratio keels that they most certainly have their place. I am content with a slighly heavier and consequently more robust structure in the performance trade off.
 
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On the contrary,it's because I take risks & the consequences of touching the bottom with one of those flimsy race machines dos'nt bare thinking about.

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Erm - I suggest you aren't taking risks then .... but I have to assume you can't read a chart or look at the depth gauge - how do you sail in the solent - sail until you hit the bottom then tack?!

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You can suggest all you like but I choose not to have a deep keel boat of any description around here because it would limit my options too severely.I like exploring relatively deserted shoreline & creeks so any deep keel would be a handicap.
If I sailed off shore around the world or somewhere like that I would not have a deep fin keel in particular because as I have said previously I believe that they are structurally unsound & not fit for purpose.
I guess it all depends on the type of sailing you do......If I were racing in the Solent then I would no doubt choose a deep fin keel boat & then I would'nt need to look out for dodgy anchors either /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
As for your snide remark about my navigational skills....the bloke that never took a risk never learnt anything & though I am not proud of the sewer pipe & odd rock that I have bounced off I did survive them.Live to fight another day & was no worse off for the encounter (nor did I leave my keel behind me) /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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Oh - so trimarans are only ok in good weather .... so they don't go round the world through the southern ocean particularly well??
Why don't you forget AWB bashing cos you're crap at it .... get back to discussing the anchor that failed.

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What's AWB bashing?I would be a little bit apprehensive about trimarans self righting ability.
I think we can all learn something by constructive criticism mate /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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That anchor certainly looked like dangerous equipement to me

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You sound like a Smug Git who seems to think he knows all there is to know about everything ...

No anchor is dangerous in itself - it is what it is used for and in what conditions that could make it dangerous... you can anchor a boat to a mud weight if in the right conditions/location ...

Thanks to the OP for highlighting areas of concern with ALL anchors and the importance of inspecting even the most mundane bits of kit on the boat.

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My friend it is obvious that that anchors welding was not up to scratch & you seem a bit confused.
Maybe you just need to check that your keel is still there & chill out a bit /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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Ok, just need this clearing up... should I swap my anchor because it looks just like that one and might fail... or should I not be arsed because my keel is probably gonna fall off and I will either drown or the mast will act as a perfectly good anchor....

If you guys could come up with a consensus as to what action I should take that would be a relief.

(More staples maybe?)

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If I were you mate & you are sure that your anchor is by the same manufacturer as the one in the photo then I would just throw it away......I certainly would'nt wait for a consensus /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Just for the record I am an Engineer & I would say that that particular anchor failed because it was made out of three separate pieces at that juncture.Expansion/contraction would have weakened that weld even if it had been a good one to start with.
 
That weld was poor to start with and then they tidied it up by grinding most of the rest away, a good way of starting cracks.Also appears to have been made of a bunch of washers. If you have one-- BIN it.
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