MVDestiny
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Does anybody have any knowledge or experience of 'deck shipping' a boat from the Med to the far east? I know about 'Dockwise' and the like but was looking to find a more economic solution.
Deck Shipping yachts?
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prescott56
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Hiya,
I have a friend who has been shipping containers for 20+ years, knows a lot about the industry. If you pm me your email i will pass it on.
Have you actually got a quote from Dockwise, from where to where.
regards
Roy
I have a friend who has been shipping containers for 20+ years, knows a lot about the industry. If you pm me your email i will pass it on.
Have you actually got a quote from Dockwise, from where to where.
regards
Roy
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highandry
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No personal experience but i knew a couple who bought a motor cruiser in Florida and had it shipped to England. Their method was to leave the detailed arrangements to a Shipping Agent who would find available deck/hold space wherever/whenever he could. In other words they did not 'book' a specific company or cast iron dates.
In the event, the boat was delivered to Felixstowe, not Tilbury as they had originally planned but within the time limit they had set. The difference financially in this arrangement, was such that even with having to move the boat (under it's own power) from Felixstowe to their berth at Gillingham, Kent, the saving in costs was considerable and they were very happy with the sort of "standby airfare type arrangement"
All well and good I suppose if you have no definite deadline dates, but many general cargo companies do look for such "Fillers" and it might be worth enquiring.
In the event, the boat was delivered to Felixstowe, not Tilbury as they had originally planned but within the time limit they had set. The difference financially in this arrangement, was such that even with having to move the boat (under it's own power) from Felixstowe to their berth at Gillingham, Kent, the saving in costs was considerable and they were very happy with the sort of "standby airfare type arrangement"
All well and good I suppose if you have no definite deadline dates, but many general cargo companies do look for such "Fillers" and it might be worth enquiring.
Roaring Girl
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Non-standard routes?
Very interesting. We are at the very early stages of pondering how to get from the Med to India/Malaysia without the risks of the Red Sea/Gulf of Aden. We made some preliminary enquiries about shipping to Cochin (from say Limassol or Marmaris or even from somewhere in Lebanon) for our 12 ton 12m ketch and the answers were eye-watering - both in size and vagueness. US$15000 to GB#15000!
Clearly part of the problem was being a non-standard route, though maybe by the time we get to it (maybe 2014 or 2015, it will have been forced to normality by the rampancy of Somalia! But we'd really like to see India and western Malaysia, and so going straight to Singapore would be really sad.
We would be a bit concerned about deck cargo choices as the boats are not as well fixed or managed as on a dedicated vessel, but of course it might be cheaper. We would also try and avoid taking the masts out as it's a big and expensive deal for us! However, we would also be very interested in the comments and experiences of others, and any useful contacts in the industry.
Very interesting. We are at the very early stages of pondering how to get from the Med to India/Malaysia without the risks of the Red Sea/Gulf of Aden. We made some preliminary enquiries about shipping to Cochin (from say Limassol or Marmaris or even from somewhere in Lebanon) for our 12 ton 12m ketch and the answers were eye-watering - both in size and vagueness. US$15000 to GB#15000!
Clearly part of the problem was being a non-standard route, though maybe by the time we get to it (maybe 2014 or 2015, it will have been forced to normality by the rampancy of Somalia! But we'd really like to see India and western Malaysia, and so going straight to Singapore would be really sad.
We would be a bit concerned about deck cargo choices as the boats are not as well fixed or managed as on a dedicated vessel, but of course it might be cheaper. We would also try and avoid taking the masts out as it's a big and expensive deal for us! However, we would also be very interested in the comments and experiences of others, and any useful contacts in the industry.
Bilgediver
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Unless you are filthy rich or can find another 100 deck buddies you can forget about Dockwise as it would cost you hundreds of thousands for one boat on an empty ship. They arrange voyages to move larger numbers of migrating boats.
All the Taiwanese boats like Trader come here on container ships and even get to ride on the bows as uncontainerised loads. Speak to shipping agents in Marseilles for some one like CGM
http://www.cma-cgm.com/en/Default.aspx as they may point you in the right direction.
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highandry
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Roaring Girl...
In the course of your travels, every time you're near a major railway station or airport or any large newspaper sales point, try to get a copy of Lloyds List the shipping paper. It may have changed now, but it used to give world wide shipping movement details, ie: arrival/sailing dates of various ships, the shipping companies serving different ports and routes and also information on various handling agents, which you might find useful to 'build up a picture' of what's available.
In another life, I used to get it to fathom out which ships would be berthing and requiring AB's. Job huntin' ya see..
In the course of your travels, every time you're near a major railway station or airport or any large newspaper sales point, try to get a copy of Lloyds List the shipping paper. It may have changed now, but it used to give world wide shipping movement details, ie: arrival/sailing dates of various ships, the shipping companies serving different ports and routes and also information on various handling agents, which you might find useful to 'build up a picture' of what's available.
In another life, I used to get it to fathom out which ships would be berthing and requiring AB's. Job huntin' ya see..
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vyv_cox
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Try Googling the name of this ship, Snoekgracht.
I did so a while ago; they seem to provide a general service. Photo taken in Carrara where the ship was loading marble.
KellysEye
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>We would be a bit concerned about deck cargo choices as the boats are not as well fixed or managed as on a dedicated vessel
No need for concern, you won't believe how well tied down they are, for obvious reasons. Everything is tied to welded stong points on the deck. If they don't have enough strong points they just weld more on. Also the agents have reps in every port visited who supervise the loading/unloading
Agents for deck shipping yachts:
Peters and May
Seven Star
Yacht Path
Starclass
Not cheap though but significant savings in wear and tear.
No need for concern, you won't believe how well tied down they are, for obvious reasons. Everything is tied to welded stong points on the deck. If they don't have enough strong points they just weld more on. Also the agents have reps in every port visited who supervise the loading/unloading
Agents for deck shipping yachts:
Peters and May
Seven Star
Yacht Path
Starclass
Not cheap though but significant savings in wear and tear.
Bajansailor
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Roaring Girl, it might be worth considering going the other way round to get to India if you are worried about the Red Sea Pirates...... just a hop across the pond, a potter round the Caribbean, a slightly longer passage across the Pacific - but think of all the places you can visit on the way - go around the top of Oz and you are almost there! 
Or you could take a chance with the pirates - the infamous Cap'n Fatty has just done that, and it sounds like he managed to sneak through ok, going the opposite way - if you are on Facebook you can sign up as a member of his fan club - http://www.facebook.com/capnfatty
But I think I would prefer to go westabouts instead..... or put my boat on a ship......
The Spliethoff folk are experts are carrying yachts - and on their website http://www.spliethoff.com/frameset_3_0_traderoutes.htm they mention a route from the Continent to the Far East, so it might be worth while scribbling a note to them.
Sunsail are also experts at shipping their yachts about - every autumn they send a ship load (about 60 odd) from the Med out to the Windies for the winter, and then they send them back again at the end of April. I think that Peters & May handle their shipping affairs.
As they have bases in the Far East, it is probable that they ship new Beneteau and Jeanneau and Fountaine Pajot cats out from Europe, hence they might have space on one of their ships. I know that they would happily take private boats as well on their transatlantic runs between the Med and the Windies.
And I have never heard of any yacht ever jumping overboard in bad weather, so they (and Spliethoff) must have a pretty good safety record.
Or you could take a chance with the pirates - the infamous Cap'n Fatty has just done that, and it sounds like he managed to sneak through ok, going the opposite way - if you are on Facebook you can sign up as a member of his fan club - http://www.facebook.com/capnfatty
But I think I would prefer to go westabouts instead..... or put my boat on a ship......
The Spliethoff folk are experts are carrying yachts - and on their website http://www.spliethoff.com/frameset_3_0_traderoutes.htm they mention a route from the Continent to the Far East, so it might be worth while scribbling a note to them.
Sunsail are also experts at shipping their yachts about - every autumn they send a ship load (about 60 odd) from the Med out to the Windies for the winter, and then they send them back again at the end of April. I think that Peters & May handle their shipping affairs.
As they have bases in the Far East, it is probable that they ship new Beneteau and Jeanneau and Fountaine Pajot cats out from Europe, hence they might have space on one of their ships. I know that they would happily take private boats as well on their transatlantic runs between the Med and the Windies.
And I have never heard of any yacht ever jumping overboard in bad weather, so they (and Spliethoff) must have a pretty good safety record.
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This was a slick operation in the Carrick Roads last year.
Roaring Girl
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Well - we've talked about and the current consensus is that we'd rather go east about. The real destination is NZ, and one of us really doesn't fancy weeks of passages, and the other one really fancies revisiting India and then going to Inonesia and Malaysia. We'd go through the archipelago and then to the tip of Oz, sail the Barrier Reef and then go across the Tasman. Apart from that very last step, we know we can do most of that trip (from Penang) in 2 or 3 days sails.
So keep the suggestions coming - or is anybody else interested in an Eastern Med to India/Penang transport?
